Young man's house broken into, now he's in surgery

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  1. ravill

    ravill New Member

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    These are the EXACT situations that I fear as a human being.

    This poor 28 yo man was sleeping in his bed when his home was broken into, he was beaten within an inch of his life and his possessions stolen. :frown:

    Now, I've just had to take him to the OR to fix his substantial injuries.

    When seconds count, the police are just a few minutes away. :wall:

    He cooperated with the thugs, was tied up and then beaten. At least the young man didn't have a gun (whew, those things are WAY dangerous :oldman: ).

    Some of us just want a fighting chance. Just a chance. Why do we need to beg for this?!

    Sigh......
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sorry to hear that brother :( I hope he is ok. His physical wounds will heal but it's the psychological ones that are going to mess with him for a while.

    A gun is just one piece of home security.

    Every home should get shatter proof security film installed on all windows, an alarm system that will wake you up when it goes off, outside security lighting, reinforced door jamb/hinge armor on all external doors.

    You need these things in order to slow them down enough to give you reaction time to get to your gun.

    I'm willing to bet if he was anti-gun before, he will be no longer.
     
  3. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An old crippled fella requiring a wheelchair with both legs gone (in his late 60s) living with his son - who has a felony conviction - house was broke in while he was asleep. He had been a hunter all his life.

    His son feld out the backdoor. 3 home intruders. When one of them woke the old man, he rolled over and happened to have a little 25 cal. auto in his hand, shooting that intruder point blank in the heart. The other 2 ran. He immediately open fired on a second one, hitting him but not lethally. The first one died in the front yard. The second one turned himself in at the hospital due to the wound. The 3rd one was none too smart as he answered his cell phone with the sheriff's deputy using the cell phone of the 1st one ready to GPS it - so also was caught.

    The sheriff's department chastised the old fella, but not in a serious way. "Why didn't you have your 45 instead of your 25? Then you could have killed all 3 saving everyone a lot of time." LOL

    Home invasions now are VERY, VERY common. Hundreds of thousands a year.

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    Fortifying your house, particularly the doors, is a necessity. Few do so. An inside dog is a pretty good alarm too, even if a little lap dog. They'll hear what you don't.

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    Fortifying your house, particularly the doors, is a necessity. Few do so. An inside dog is a pretty good alarm too, even if a little lap dog. They'll hear what you don't.
     
  4. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because residential doors open inward, they are particularly easy to kick open.
     
  5. Anders Hoveland

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    I am normally not a supporter of harsh sentences, but when victims are fully cooperative and the criminals still kill or severely hurt them, that is very terrible. Money and stolen possessions are not enough for these thugs, they felt the need to unnecessarily cause harm to completely innocent people for absolutely no good reason.
     
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    which is why victims should not comply. look what happened to that silly woman in CT who went to a bank, pulled out money only to be raped and murdered and her two daughters burned alive those two criminals should have been broken on the wheel and then drawn and quartered but all they got is a LWOP sentence.
     
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    LWOP is a reward of a carefree, fully provided for life at our expense.
     
  8. Anders Hoveland

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    Off-topic, but that is one of the reasons I believe sentences should be much more lenient, paradoxically. With robbery sentences often being as harsh as they are, a criminal robbing a bank may not have much more to lose if he chooses to commit all sorts of additional psychopathic acts. I mean is there really that much of a difference between a 30 year sentence and LWOP, or even the death penalty for that matter? If a criminal has already chosen to rob a bank, he has likely given up all care of what the law says, he is going to spend nearly the rest of his life in prison anyway, if caught.
     
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    The idea is not just for harsh sentences to be a deterrent, but to keep these evil people off the streets where the most certainly will create more victims.
     
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    San Fransico was kind of freaky when I last saw it years ago, lots of druggies allowed to wander the streets and so on.

    Hope your friend recovers.

    Yes, you'all can get a gun for your home in the Bay Area. And you can get all kinds of alarms, barking dogs and steel doors.

    The best course of action might be: Get out of the city!
     
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    I actually oppose state imposed death penalties. Now, the husband and father of the victims-give him a blowtorch, a crowbar and two hours with the murderers and when he is done, a gubernatorial pardon and immunity from any civil suit. That's real justice
     
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    You do not have to beg for anything. Had the man been prepared he would not be in the Hospital and if you want to be prepared then you will get what you believe you need to defend yourself and learn to use it, I would also suggest a midsize or larger dog or two also.

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    Really, if they were fully provided for they would not be doing such things, opps.
     
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    Do you drive an ambulance?
     
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    he was sleeping, you saying people should be clinging to their guns as they sleep, and shoot whatever wakes them?

    this is a sad case, but not sure a gun would of prevented this

    what if this guy was a ex-felon or had a mental issue, do you still think he has a right to own a gun to protect his home and family... I do, they should not have to beg for the chance

    everyone should have the right to own a gun.... a gun will not save you from every situation though

    maybe an alarm system that would of alerted him someone breaking in.... so he had time to grab a gun would of helped

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    That is why I suggested a dog or two, no one can get into my home without having to deal with them first (or vice versa) and while in the process I will be arriving to finish the deal.
     
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    You would shoot your own dogs just to get a chance to bag an intruder?
     
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    Why would you think he would want to shoot his own dogs......

    He's saying they would both alert him someone unknown was in his house, AND the intruder would be delayed with the dogs kicking his ass until he could get there.
     
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    Nope, I would shot the intruder, several times, my dogs will stop their work on command, some of us actually spend time training our dogs and ourselves.
     
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    All that time and it would have been easier just to go out the window to safety and avoid getting shot back at altogether.

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    You could just have installed an alarm system.
     
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    I prefer the electronic watch dog, more of a cat person myself, but agree, anything to alert you
     
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    Alarms can be defeated and it takes 20 minutes on average for a LEO to show up here, I'll pass, my system is far more secure.
     
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    to be fair, alarm systems give false alerts, dogs bark when nothing there, so jumping out the window every-time is not gonna happen.... at that point most people grab something to defend themselves and investigate
     
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    I'm curious about just how would some guy you just lit up shoot back? Besides running in not my nature and am the baddest MF in the valley.
     
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    Most can tell the difference and none of our cats are good as alarm systems or performing security against anything other than mice or birds. But true, a good alert method is the best choice, and at that point at least people will be able to react in the way they find appropriate.
     
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    I won't be abandoning my children on the other side of the house anytime soon. Anybody breaking into my house will be introduced to Pork Chop(Dalmatian/Pitbull mix) and the business end of a firearm shortly thereafter while my wife is calling 911.
     

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