Your opinion on Assange

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Do you think it would be a bad thing if Assange were sentenced to 15 years in the U.S. ?

  1. Assange revealed things Americans have a right to know about, and does not deserve prison

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  2. Assange deserves a long period of prison in the U.S. for revealing damaging secrets

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  3. He deserved punishment, but the time spent hiding in the embassy is punishment enough

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  4. It might be bad, except I believe Assange is a rapist so I don't care about his fate

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  5. Not sure / don't know

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    15.6%
  1. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Like what? What genocide? Come on, what? Explain it to me, stop running away when you can't back up your assertions with facts.
     
  2. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    He CHOSE to spend 7 years effectively in prison didn't he? He could have defended himself against the rape charges and other charges and won and then been free. Don't pretend that all he did was "tell the truth." There's no law against that.
     
  3. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Inform yourself Chris, if you dare. WWJD in this case?

    https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/sex-lies-and-julian-assange/4156420

    Assange DID defend himself, but you happen to be not informed about that, and that makes you only typical. Assange made a career of exposing the crimes of governments. That makes him Public Enemy #1

    Inform yourself sir. Watch the video if you dare.
     
  4. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying that Jesus would let a man go free without trial?

    In which court of law?

    Absolutely, but what does that have to do with whether he has been imprisoned or not? Hey look, I'm not altogether against what Assange has done and we can talk about the laws that he has been accused of breaking are good or bad laws, but the fact is that he CHOSE to lock himself away for all of those years! Now we both know that if he instead chose to have his day in court that he would most likely have served an ACTUAL prison term, however that would be HIS fault because HE broke the law!
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good question and I voted that I don't know. On the one hand I can't stand the little prick but I don't know if he's committed a crime. I don't think he actually hacked or stole any of the materials that he published. If that's the case (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) then he's done what many news organizations have done over the years - published government secrets that were provided to them - secrets such as the Pentagon Papers.
     
  6. chris155au

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    You're forgetting about the crime of receiving and trafficking in stolen government property.
     
  7. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm saying Jesus would not be prosecuting a man who exposed the crimes of government, were he here today.

    If you're not going to watch the video I provided, which answers all the questions you ask here, we're done.
     
  8. chris155au

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    Jesus didn't prosecute anyone when he WAS on earth! It wasn't his job to prosecute! He wouldn't have been interested in saving Assange from prosecution, but rather saving him from sin!

    I have, back in 2012. The show is ABC Australia's '4 Corners' program, I know it well given that I live in Australia. However I'm not sure why you think that it exonerates Assange! The charges against him still stand, regardless of how unjust they may be!
     
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    After several weeks of "investigation", Assange visited the police and they told him he was free to leave the country.

    The younger of the 2 girls made it clear HE DID NOT RAPE HER. She was concerned only with the possibility of STD. The first Swedish prosecutor said there was no substance and the charges were dismissed.

    You are ready to hang him, and you condone his present situation. As a fallen away Christian, you need to examine your conscience I would say. Jesus would be embarrassed by your callous indifference to the fate of an innocent man. You resemble an agent of the state more than a New Testament Christian. Shame on you.
     
  10. chris155au

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    The police of what country?

    When are you saying that the rape charge was dismissed? I see no reporting that the charges have been dismissed, just that the investigation is ongoing.

    He is innocent in the sense that he is innocent until proven guilty, but he has charges against him which he must answer for, but you seem to not be able to understand that fact. Are you actually under the impression that the rape charge is the only charge that he has been charged with?
     
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    Frack him. He's nothing more than a cyber-prankster with delusions of grandeur. He may have exposed some war crimes but he also helped elect Trump

    Let him slink away to a well-deserved obscurity. I see him managing a Best Buy in Podunk someday.
     
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  12. AlifQadr

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    I am not a man of hero worship or any of such nonsense; Julian Assange is what investigative journalists are supposed to be about. What, he is not an Investigative Journalist, you may say? Who says, being that there is no college or university course for being an investigative journalist, which by the way many may falsely seek; anyone that spends time to investigate the deeds of government, criminal enterprise (though many including myself say are one and the same) or any other type of destructive and outlandish deed(s), is in fact an Investigative Journalist. Investigative Journalism is what keeps the wolves in government "at bay", though said wolves will only find any method and means to expound their evils upon others. Fortunately, we are at a time in history when all if coming to public view, which is why media sources work with governments to aid in the concealment of untold evils in order to blind the eyes of the public and dupe us into thinking that "we are the good guys" which in all reality, is hardly the case. This is why the U.S. general government, along with its partner in crime, the UK/British governments has Mr. Assange tucked away at HM Prison Belmarsh.
     
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    You're forgetting about the crime of receiving and trafficking in stolen government property. What he DOES with it - if it is in the public interest - he shouldn't be charged for however, because at THAT point it is journalism.
     
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    Phyxius, what is stopping other nations from doing the same to "important" "Americans" is FORCE OF ARMS. Plain and simple! Instead of the U.S. General government wasting time on Mr. Assage, ISRAEL, has ONCE AGAIN committed an Act of Aggression against the sovereignty of the U.S. by installing spy equipment that tricks cellular devises into thinking it to he a Cellular Tower so that telephone conversations of those in the White house can be recorded and used at a later date and time; blackmail. This is not the first incident of Israeli intrusion against U.S. sovereignty, the same was done in the 1980's or 1990's, when Israeli Mossad agent posed as Art Students to gain access to secured and clandestine U.S. general government facilities on U.S. soil. As Mr. Miko Peled has stated, Israel should be held accountable for all of its crimes against the United States, starting with the USS Liberty.
     
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    Receiving and Trafficking stolen government property? Who is to say that said "property" was stolen at all. As most investigative journalists, the source is unknown and Mr. Assange would be remiss if he revealed his source or sources who gave the information on promises of anonymity. Claim that Mr. Assange has received stolen government property is nothing more than a slick way of seeking his source or sources to maintain secrecy so that dastardly deeds go unpunished. What the same asked of Woodward and Bernstein of Watergate fame? If not, why is Mr. Assange any different?
     
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    Julian Assange did America a big favor by publishing the hacked DNC and Podesta's emails exposing that the Democratic party is a corrupt, third world political organization.

    But my understanding is that the Justice Department are accusing Assange for helping the peter puffer traitor Bradley Manning aka Chelsea Manning of espionage and aiding Manning to provide classified documents so Wikileaks could publish them.

    Lets not forget that the New York Times published classified documents (The Pentagon Papers) and the SCOTUS ruled that the NYT was protected under the First Amendment and the traitor who stole the documents from the Rand Corp. and gave them to the NYT, Daniel Ellsberg (liberal-D and hero of the Democratic party and a useful idiot of the Kremlin)...
    Legal charges against Ellsberg
     
  17. chris155au

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    You know that the information was hacked by Bradley/Chelsea Manning, right?
     
  18. Eleuthera

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    This shameful post demonstrates that you have not watched the ABC piece I linked to.
     
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    The DNC material was not hacked, it was leaked.
     
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    Sorry, but there are charges against him. It really IS just as SIMPLE AS THAT! This FACTUAL information is just a simple Google search away. Are you not capable of that?
     
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    I believe there are certain secrets of the Government that need to remain secret for national security reasons and he has stepped on a steep slope that could create a landslide. For this reason alone he should be made an example....accusations of sexual assault are unimportant in this but do indicate the type of person....Book him Dano.
     
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    Book him dano?
     
  23. Eleuthera

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    The difference between you and me is that you don't realize how governments deceive their citizens. But that's OK Chris, you can hate your neighbor as long as you don't forget to say grace before meals.
     
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    Hawaii 5.0
     
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    How does keeping the secret of war crimes committed by the government contribute to US national security?
     

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