Zimmerman tries to sell gun used to kill Trevon

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  1. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    Not only did he live there, but he lived about 60 seconds from where he first saw Zimmerman out by the street. Plenty of time to get home after he slipped between the buildings leaving Zim still sitting in his car talking to police.
    If he was truly scared he would have run home, but he stayed on the phone with Rachael and was clearly not scared according to her testimony.
     
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    That was not in the court trial....
     
  3. OrlandoChuck

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    Z was a neighborhood watch man in an area with several recent break ins, and was searching for a suspicious kid that had just eluded him. He was talking to police while looking for him. That is not stalking. He just wanted to be able to tell police where Martin was when they arrived, which turned out to be about 2 minutes later.
     
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    Somehow the Media tried to turn Martin into some manner of Patron Saint...... that did not pan out.....

    Saint Martin: Patron Saint of Medicinal Marijuana..
     
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    and his job was not to chase people down with a gun, he was to report it, simple, had he done that, no one would of died that night

    he was stalking Martin... that is fact, regardless of "why" you think he was doing it

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    z killed Martin, of course Martin was not able to give his side of the story, only the killer was

    that said, yes it was shown via the 911 call that he was stalking him prior to the killing

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    He was reporting it as he was trying to monitor the movement of Martin. He didn't have the gun drawn while looking for him.
    Nothing in the trial portrayed him as stalking. That's just your interpretation.
     
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    What idiot would buy it?
     
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    no one knows if he had gun drawn or not, Martin was never able to give his side of the story, of course the killer woudl say he did not

    yes, the 911 call showed he was stalking the victim in this case

    don't confuse the crime stalking with the act of stalking, z was definitely stalking his prey that night

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    probably some rich kkk type creep

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    No, the usual creep would simply buy a Kel-Tec pistol and claim it was the gun that killed Saint Martin.
     
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    If Z had layed low and not gotten himself mixed up with domestic violence situations, he would have his life back by now. He pops up every year in the media, usually in a bad light. This auction is the latest situation that puts him in the spotlight and it's completely Z's fault. He probably did everything legally on the night he killed Martin, but his actions since his aquittal have proved he is an idiot and only wants attention. I'm surprized he hasn't written a book, or is all of this attention a promotion for his upcoming "novel".
     
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    So you think it's possible that Martin engaged a guy with a gun pointed at him? If that's true he would have been shot before they went to the ground. You think Z let him self take punches (forensics show Martins knuckles consistent with hitting someone), end up on the ground and letting his head be beat into the concrete all while having the gun in his hand? None of that makes sense.

    Everyone knows stalkers talk to police while stalking their prey. Right?
    Police were on their way and he wanted to be able to tell them where Martin was. Cops arrived less than two minutes after hanging up from them. With police on their way would anyone illegally have their gun drawn? That's a sure way to go to jail.
     
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    z did not expect him to fight back, Martin caught him off guard, it took him a bit to regain control of the gun during the struggle for the gun, but he did and Martin was killed
     
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    The actions of George Zimmerman on the night in question did not, in any way, meet the legal definition of just what constitutes as stalking.
     
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    Well put !!!
     
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    Then you expect those of us present to believe that Trayvon Martin, whose reason for being out of the house at the time was to acquire snacks for watching a sporting event on television, decided that it was in his best interest to deliberately and violently engage a complete stranger who was not only armed, but had his firearm drawn and plainly visible at the time?

    How? Demonstrate such.

    There is no fact to corroborate such a claim.
     
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    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...ute&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.048.html

    784.048 Stalking; definitions; penalties.—
    (1) As used in this section, the term:
    (a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose.
    (b) “Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, which evidences a continuity of purpose. The term does not include constitutionally protected activity such as picketing or other organized protests.
    (c) “Credible threat” means a verbal or nonverbal threat, or a combination of the two, including threats delivered by electronic communication or implied by a pattern of conduct, which places the person who is the target of the threat in reasonable fear for his or her safety or the safety of his or her family members or individuals closely associated with the person, and which is made with the apparent ability to carry out the threat to cause such harm. It is not necessary to prove that the person making the threat had the intent to actually carry out the threat. The present incarceration of the person making the threat is not a bar to prosecution under this section.
    (d) “Cyberstalk” means to engage in a course of conduct to communicate, or to cause to be communicated, words, images, or language by or through the use of electronic mail or electronic communication, directed at a specific person, causing substantial emotional distress to that person and serving no legitimate purpose.
    (2) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
    (3) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person and makes a credible threat to that person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
    (4) A person who, after an injunction for protection against repeat violence, sexual violence, or dating violence pursuant to s. 784.046, or an injunction for protection against domestic violence pursuant to s. 741.30, or after any other court-imposed prohibition of conduct toward the subject person or that person’s property, knowingly, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
    (5) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks a child under 16 years of age commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
    (6) A law enforcement officer may arrest, without a warrant, any person that he or she has probable cause to believe has violated this section.
    (7) A person who, after having been sentenced for a violation of s. 794.011, s. 800.04, or s. 847.0135(5) and prohibited from contacting the victim of the offense under s. 921.244, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks the victim commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
    (8) The punishment imposed under this section shall run consecutive to any former sentence imposed for a conviction for any offense under s. 794.011, s. 800.04, or s. 847.0135(5).
    (9)(a) The sentencing court shall consider, as a part of any sentence, issuing an order restraining the defendant from any contact with the victim, which may be valid for up to 10 years, as determined by the court. It is the intent of the Legislature that the length of any such order be based upon the seriousness of the facts before the court, the probability of future violations by the perpetrator, and the safety of the victim and his or her family members or individuals closely associated with the victim.
    (b) The order may be issued by the court even if the defendant is sentenced to a state prison or a county jail or even if the imposition of the sentence is suspended and the defendant is placed on probation.


    The actions of George Zimmerman do not, in any way, meet the legal definition of stalking in the state of Florida. Being in the same general location as someone else is not stalking. Following an unidentified individual is not stalking, nor illegal. A single act does not constitute stalking.
     
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    What do you mean fight back? There is no evidence that Z ever hit him, no marks on Martin from being hit, and no marks on Zims hands.
     
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    there is witness testimony that the two were wrestling on the ground, even z doesn't deny that, z even admits to the struggle
     
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    You mean the witness testimony that said Martin was straddling Zim while pummeling him MMA style and then trying to kill him by pounding his head into the pavement? The one that showed no evidence that Zim fought back until he realized his life was in danger?

    The same witness testimony that said Zim was yelling for help?
     
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    the witness that did not see how it started, just saw it midway though, yes.... thus proving what you said about no struggle was false

    yes, z bit off more then he could chew with this one...... so him crying for help was expected, not everyone cowers when faced with fear, that is why they call it fight or flight

    z's life is over, he will always be stigmatized and alienated against, no chance of a normal life for him ever again

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    Come again ???

    No afterlife ????


    "not everyone cowers when faced with fear, that is why they call it fight or flight"

    Or Drugs....
     
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    no this life, no one knows what his next life will bring and if he has learned from this one

    who was on drugs? martin or Zimmerman?
     
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    The autopsy carried out on Trayvon Martin discovered the presence of marijuana in his system at the time of his death.

    This would make sense, considering how by your own evaluation of the events that transpired, Trayvon Martin believed it was in his best interest to randomly assault a complete strange who already had a firearm drawn.
     
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    Martin smoked pot.. Zimmerman was on a variety of antipsychotic drugs and sleeping pills.. Restoril and Adderal

    http://newsone.com/2016433/george-zimmerman-drugs/
     

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