Zzzzz…. Experts weigh in on risky Wuhan study that Fauci, Paul debated

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    19Crib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/23/experts-weigh-in-on-risky-wuhan-study-that-fauci-paul-debated/



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    his link goes a bit deeper in to the virology argument between Fauci and Sen Paul. My take a way is that “gain of function” is a crap shoot.
    They are altering the genome to see what happens which is OK if they can keep the pathogens bottled up in the lab. It is my view that the NIH partnered with China for two reasons. First was to see what we could learn from dangerous research in an area we were not working in, and secondly to fund their hardening of their containment protocol. Naturally, the Chinese spent the money their way and here we are.
    BTW, I hear there is a Lambda variant out, and they are suspicious that there is one more. Lambda seems less affected by current vaccines.
    My view is that it is that Covid going to be endemic, world wide, with seasonal mutations.


     
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    Please explain why it was necessary for the US to give a grant to the a lab in China? Could the Chinese really not have afforded the cost? Whether the lab us using gain to function techniques, or not, is not relevant. The US never should have been funding the Chinese lab. Especially, since they were testing coronavirus in bats. As far as the disease already being deadly does not change the fact that they may have genetically altered the disease to make it more contagious and more deadly. Many so-called experts point to an incident that happened in a copper mine. A team of workers went into the mine to clear guano (bat droppings), Six of them got sick, and three died. Scientists from the Wuhan lab was called in to investigate. (I wished I could find a source better then the one I have, but this one does explain the event.)
    Fauci: It's ‘Entirely Conceivable’ That COVID-19 Came From a Cave in China (webmd.com)

    Here is what puts a crimp in that theory. The mine is located more the 600 miles from Wuhan. That is farther then a bat flies. Bats always return home everyday. There is no way a bat would travel more then 600 miles, and then returned home. Second is that the event took place seven years before the first cases of COVID was found in Wuhan. So, did the bats naturally travel from the mine to the city of Wuhan and bite someone starting the Pandemic? No, I don't see it. Did the bats being tested at the Wuhan Lab come from that mine? More then likely, but there are a lot of things that we need to know before we can discount the use of gain to function based on the origins of the bats. The first is how many workers were there. Six got sick, but we do not know the number of team members that did not get sick. What underlying medical conditions did the those that got sick have? Being that class of worker in China, I would expect that they did not normally have good pre-emptive medical care. Without that information, we really can not determine how contagious or deadly the virus was at that time. Or whether the virus was more deadly now then it was then. So, I question this so-called experts narrative. Looks like they are just providing cover for one of their own. In this country we have allowed political agenda to cloud real scientific research. We have allowed science to evolve into vodoo-science.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    The Wuhan Lab Story is very much a distraction.

    It is relatively accurate, but it is a distraction. It is meant to distract from the fact that the first patent on Coronavirus was granted to Fauci and the rest in 2003, years before Wuhan became involved.
     
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    And I presume you have a decent link to prove it?
     
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    Start here. Click on the work by Dr. David Martin. If you are thirsty for knowledge, you will find much more with Martin. He's been censored and de-platformed by MSM and social media. That is a clue that he speaks the inconvenient and unpleasant truth.
     
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    Well what it boils down to in my mind is that they had to get a waiver to continue to do the research once the moratorium went into effect. If it was not seen as gain of function research at that time, then they wouldn't have needed the waiver. Fauci is trying to revise the history of the research for no reason other than political ones. He would have been far better off to just to try to paint this as researchers exceeding what they were hired to be doing than to try to play semantics.
     
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    From experience I can tell you that when dealing with China, you can never really have complete confidence in what your take a ways are. They are like a house of mirrors.
     
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    First, the name Coronavirus refers to an entire class of viruses, not just COVID-19. Second, the only way that Fauci could actually own a patent on a virus is if he had genetically altered the virus. So, without a credible source, this is debunked.
     
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    Fauci is guilty of many things. He tried to hide the origins of the virus because it would bring to light his authorization of the NIH grant to the Wuhan lab. That fact is proven by the emails released in response to a FOI request. Whether the lab was using gain to function techniques or not, the grants were hinky. The funding of a lab in China is bad enough. The fact that the grant had no provisions for oversight. The grant was earmarked to pay for new equipment and safety training. I have no idea if the equipment was ever purchased, but it is obvious that the training never took place. That tells me that the lab spent the money for other things. But here is the most damning fact. Someone on Fauci's own staff emailed him that the COVID Gnome had manufactured characters. In other words, the basics of the virus looked natural occurring, but some of the markers look to have been altered. That is what you would expect to find after the use of a gain to function technique.

    But, in my opinion, this takes a backseat to the fact that Fauci knew that the virus could be spread human to human, but told everyone that masks were only needed for the sick and those treating the sick. He told this lie to the President of the United States. As a result, many more got sick and died then would have happened if he had been honest. If Fauci had been honest, a shutdown could have happened much sooner then it took place. The US Military and Reserves could have been employed to distribute foods and necessities until enough masks could have been manufactured for everyone. That would have saved a lot of lives, but it did not happen because fauci lied. I believe that is his greatest sin.
     
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    I'm hoping it's not only a sin, but a prosecutable crime.

    I got lambasted for calling Fauci a liar but I stand by it. He lied. People died. Orange Jesus has his own stuff to account for but Fauci is complicit.
     
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    You have not studied the facts shown in the records of the US Patent Office. David Martin has, very thoroughly.

    You offer here just another display of ignorance regarding USPO records.
     
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    NIH partnered with Wuhan for the simple reason that this research is ILLEGAL in the US. Now, why should we give a pass to the then Obama administration and Fauci for using public money to conduct illegal actions?
     
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    I have used Google and Bing I'm. Neither has links to the information. So, provide a link!
     
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    Google, Bing, Wikipedia and others are sanitized sources controlled by corporate and government special interests.

    Try this: Digital Freedom Platform | London Real
     

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