So you think Netanyahu's plan to bomb Rafah is a good idea?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    As Israel demanded that Palestinian civilians move to the south of Gaza, they have been doing exactly that. But every time families move further south, so do Israeli attacks.

    As a result, civilians have flooded the southernmost part of Gaza: Rafah. South of Rafah is The Rafah Crossing into Egypt. Which is closed! So palestinian civilians are trapped in the middle. Today, there are over a million people, about half of them children, trying to hold on to dear life in that small region. This has made Rafah one of the most densely populated regions in the world.

    So guess what Netanyahu appears to be planning to do: why... bomb Rafah, of course!

    Obviously this will mean a HUGE number of deaths among the civilian population. And it's very likely most of them will be children.

    But that's not the end of it. Netanyahu wants US to provide the bombs for this slaughter. Biden, of course, wants no part of it. And here's why.

    First of all, there is the human toll. All those people dead.

    Second... why? The majority of Hamas is OUTSIDE of Gaza. They're in the West Bank, in Qatar, in Egypt... even many in Turkey. Hell! The LEADERSHIP of Hamas is in Beijing right now negotiating with Fatah a cease-fire. Which, BTW, Hamas has accepted, but Netanyahu WON'T. The Leader of Hamas in Gaza is in Rafah. But all those innocent people killed to get HIM? Where are all those Israeli Nazi-hunters who were so good at bringing war criminals to justice without bombing.... Buenos Aires?

    Finally... do people understand the CONSEQUENCES? Not just to Israel. To US. If WE fund the bombings, we become accomplices. So WE will be the target of terrorists who will want to avenge the attack!

    I ask all to please sit back and look at reality for a second.
     
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  2. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    He want precision weaponry to minimize the damage failure to deliver such munitions on the part the biden admin simply increases the Body count. Biden's continuing attempt to ride the fence between Israel and Hamas is making him no friends on either side and is only going to get a more people killed. Against that back drop we have Hamas launching rockets at the floating dock the US is trying to build to bring food into gaza.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel says they are 'angry' and 'outraged' because US is not funding the latest assault, after we bent over backwards to help them fight Hamas. Not sure why they feel they are in position to be angry about US not giving them a blank check. I am pro-Israel, but it seems they are beginning to abuse our generosity. Even Reagan and Bush Sr put their foot down when Israel took what we gave them and then refused to listen to our advice on the situation there (about the settlements). Bush even said he'd stop all aid to Israel if the attitude continued.
     
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    Israel is out of bombs? And the only way they get them is Biden, who isn’t going to give them any.

    So Israel can’t bomb Rafah. What are you complaining about again? You should make like a Palestinian and fly a kite and eat some candy
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is no such thing as "precision" when you drop 2 thousand pound bombs ANYWHERE in a small area where there are over a million people! And Israel DEMANDS we give them 1800 of them!
     
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    I suspect that the US will drive a two state solution next year.
     
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    First most of them are 250lb not 2000 lb. The big ones are of utility only against hardened targets Like those tunnels deep underground. You are looking at 25 square miles Note israel isn't out of bombs just the precision guidance systems that attach to them. They will use the bombs anyway so your argument is an argument that Israel should use a lot more 2000 lb bombs to accomplish the same mission.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Complaining? I'm praising Biden! And explaining WHY he is refusing to make the US to become an accomplice in the slaughter.

    I would recommend you READ the post you respond to before responding.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    And as Hamas is not interested in a 2 state solution and Israel is no longer willing to tolerate living next door to people who wish to kill them it will go no where. Your only hope of making that work is if Israel eliminates Hamas within Gaza.
     
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    He isn't stopping anything he is only as per usual with Biden making it worse.
     
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    For the OP. If you start from an entirely dishonest position, why would anyone want to respond to the OP?

    It would be vastly more honest to ask the question, now that Hamas has been isolated in Rafa, what should the Palestinian population do to address the egregious misuse of resources/power that Hamas have used to destroy their own nation with? And if Israel continues to prosecute the war against these cretins, what if any solution do the Palestinian people have at their disposal to rid themselves of these parasites?
     
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    The most obvious Biden actions are governed by his largest donors, and they aren't happy with him supporting Israel. Typical anti-semites....
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    ALL the 1,800 I mentioned are 2000 pounds. They are also asking for 1,700 500lb bombs. But unless the leader of Hamas in Gaza is in some sort of "isolated retreat" in the outskirts of Rafah (which would kinda defeat the purpose of using human shields), those would ALSO kill and maim thousands (especially children) even if you drop it directly over his head.
     
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    Can you please present a link supporting your claim that Netanyahu is seeking more precision weaponry? I’m not saying I doubt you. I just haven’t heard that anywhere (even in more conservative outlets) and I would be very interested in reading about that. If true, kudos to him for that.
     
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    Let me ask you a question. If you were an unarmed civilian in a war zone, would you risk your life and the lives of your family to rebel against the government that brought the war upon you? Or would you be focused on survival? I’m just curious if you think you could live up to the standard you are setting for the Palestinians.
     
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    It has to start some where. Does it not? If the only answer is, continue to suffer under the boot of Hamas, or try to get a life and some liberty from Israel, I think the option is pretty clear. Progressives always chant and cheer revolution, except when it's focused on them. And surely this is the point in time where Hamas should be exterminated by the people of Gaza.
     
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    They can make their own bombs what makes them precision is the shroud fitted to them which has to be linked to US milsats to gain the necessary accuracy. At least until Israel decides that the US is no longer trust worthy an puts their own equivalent in geo synchronus orbit over the middle east The reason you're not reading it is because almost everyone assumes that smart bombs are the only thing anyone in the west really wants because it takes far fewer off them to accomplish the destruction of a given target. It also means you can use smaller bombs to do the same thing. And in either case less collateral damage. Note the amount smart munitions in use has increased geometrically since the gulf war part A. Not also in Israel was going for genocide they would have simply cluster bombed the gaza strip until no one could take a step with out the risk of blowing themselves to smithereens.
     
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    I don't know. Why did YOU respond to the OP?

    You didn't read. Hamas is NOT isolated in Rafah. CIVILIANS have been isolated in Rafah. Most of Hamas isn't even in Gaza. They're in other countries, most likely preparing for... either a REAL two-state agreement (which would render them irrelevant), or a counter-attack on Israel and on ... whichever nation provides the bombs they use to slaughter all those civilians in Rafah. Biden wants to make sure that' s not US.
     
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    Yeah? Quote where you praise Biden.

    Maybe you should read your own post sometime
     
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    The purpose of using human shields is to inspire people like yourself to create threads like this.....its called propaganda.
     
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    Israel could duct tape babies onto their uniforms and these posters would cry for an invasion of Israel while completely oblivious to the irony.

    They simply don’t like Jews
     
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    Military aid for Israel was passed by Congress. Biden has no choice but to let them have the weapons.
     
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    They are precision bombs. They can probably destroy most of a city block. However, that is better than using dumb bombs which would destroy much more because many will miss their target.

    There would be fewer innocent deaths if Hamas would stop hiding behind Palestinians.
     
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    The blame for this catastrophe that the civilians of Gaza are experiencing lies with Hamas, not Israel and not the U.S. I categorically reject this narrative.
     
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    There are about a division worth of Hamas fighters in Rafah. Are there Hamas fighters else where in the ME likely not although some of the leadership certainly. The Palestinians are pretty much Persona non grata in most of the rest of the Middle East not controlled by Iran and even for Iran they are little more than a pawn to be sacrificed at need.
     
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