Study of 1038 pedophiles shows no link with adult homosexuality

You really just dont have a clue. Revealing how that doesnt stop you from just making up the (*)(*)(*)(*) that fits with what you believe. 37% are the men who had at least one homosexual experience. 46% is the percentage of those who "reacted sexually".

 

Except in this group of 1038, they didnt have any of these so called homosexual pedophiles that arent really homosexual. All stated a sexual attraction to adults as well.

 

At least a shred of integrity is required in these.

Offered to explain the difference between the CDCs 4% and Kinseys 37%. Even though my study didnt even ask them what they identified as and instead asking if they had sexual contact with men.

 

Here's some interesting statistics though:

http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm#Substantiated

Black people roughly three times more likely to abuse than white people according to these statistics. Asians significantly less than blacks and whites. Do this mean we should be restricting adoption (or putting up the "red flags") when a group statistically more likely to abuse attempts to adopt??

 

Review this post, describing how the CDC came to the 4% number they put forward.

http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-l...iles-shows-no-link-adult-homosexuality-4.html

and the quote from the mayo clinic did not completely contradict. Read it again, particularly the last part:

And there have been other studies done on the topic.

When colorado was considering some anti-gay legislation on the grounds that homosexuals were a danger to children, some doctors at a facility that helps abused children decided to review all the cases of abuse in the last year to see which were perpetrated by homosexuals:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/94/1/41

Another study was done, measuring the penis volume of gay and hetero men after being shown explicit images of people of various age groups and gender.

 

You'll have to show me where it says that in the source.

And note, again, that the percentages represented in the source I gave had no constraints on time, while your source had a 5 year window limit on what they considered MSM.

 

The study has 7% of the pedophiles with no adult attraction.

 

And again that's the point. 4 percent is those identified as having sex with a man in the last 5 years. Excluding those who had sex with a man 6+ years ago, or who at least show interest.

 

None of which tells us what fraction of the population of men who have sex with men make up that 36%. It most definitely doesn't tell us that all or most gay men are child molesters.

Stop right there. I haven't cited Kinsey's numbers, nor expressed a belief in them, much less a "religious zeal".

Still doesn't tell us anything about gay people. It only tells us about pedophiles oriented on children.

Personal attacks also don't prove anything. I grasp exactly what you're up to - attempting to get people to infer that gay men are child molesters while maintaining plausible deniability by not making the accusation explicit.

It's really shameful for you to play on people's prejudices this way.

 

They are both born that way thus the link.

 

More than that, the CDC estimate isn't an estimate of the gay population. It's a statistic of men who have sex with men, which could include a whole range of bisexuality, including men whose sexual activities are not limited to, nor comprised in the majority of sex with other men. It's also a statistic based on disease research. Tells us nothing about healthy gay men.

 

Ridiculous. Even if there were conclusive proof that both gay men and pedophiles are born with those orientations, that wouldn't necessarily indicate any linkage between them. The causation for each could be something entirely different.

 

It leaves 21% predominately oriented on children with a preference for male victims - not 21% who are gay.

Thanks for making my point to Dixon about people drawing mistaken inferences.

 

In the section on sexual orientation.

 

To be a NAMBLA member you have to be "Pro Masculine" (Gay)

 

I said they were men who had sex with men, and you left off the 8% that were exclusively hopmosexual. Leaving 13% they dont specify, which of course you fill in the blanks to best suit your ideology.

 

That wasn't a response to you, and it was DaveInFL's math, not mine. They didn't specifiy the 13%, so we don't know for certain, though since they were addressing preference in adult relationships, one might reasonably infer that the 13% had no interest in adult relationships.

Still doesn't tell us anything about gay people, who are oriented on adults, not children.

 

That's an important point that I never tried to go into since it's kindof difficult to explain and understand. It may also be irrelivant to the question of identifying likely pedophiles. But I'll try to explain it with an analogy.

Let's examine the population of Alcoholics.

Problem alcoholics do something that's pretty obvious: they drink alcohol. But beyond that, they have a disease that makes them highly addicted and dependent on alcohol.

But on the surface, that makes them similar to another population of people: non-alcoholics that drink.

If you wanted to build a profile of an alcoholic so we could identify them, we could start with the criteria: drinks alcohol.

An alcoholic and non-alcoholic don't necessarily drink for the same reason reason. We're not trying to identify non-alcololics who have little in common psychologically with non-alcoholics. Yet a profile of the two could link them togeather nevertheless.

The same could be said of pedophiles who show attraction to male adults, and the rest of the population of men who show attraction to men. We have no idea if the reasons the two groups are attracted to men are the same. We have no idea if the gays from the population at large are likely to cross over into the pedophile population. There may even be more gay men in the group of pedophiles, but this still doesn't mean gays are more likely to cross over. Indeed, the profile of a pedophile shows that pedophiles perform their first abuses at a young age. Thus if you are looking at an older gay man that has not abused a child, odds are he will not. Pedophiles start their first abuse usually before turning 18 themselves. Thus we have no reason to believe that a "normal" homosexual male is any more likely to molest a child than anyone else. Nevertheless, they may happen to fit the profile of a pedophile, just as an alcohol drinker may fit the profile of an alcoholic without it being so.

Naturally we "normal" gay men take offense to this, basically accusing us of being pedophiles. We have the benefit of being able to see into our own hearts and minds that we are not pedophiles, nor are those in the gay community we socialize with. We will naturally be bias against claims that try to do otherwise, for the same reason heterosexual men in general would be bias against the claim that they are a potential pedophile... Just because most pedophiles are men. Having one thin incoming does not make us match the profile, and we may be specifically excluded from the profile for other reasons.

 

In my last post, I also forgot to address the issue of causation. A profile of a pedophile does not necessarily address causation of that profile. For example, a profile of an unintelligent person might have included "black people" in the 1800's. If you were looking for unintelligent people, black was a good place to start. But this does not mean bring black is the cause. Lack of access to education was the cause.

Similarly, we might ask why do pedophiles become pedophiles? There is evidence that being molested as a child is a likely cause. Are gays more likely to be molested? We've already seen sources that they are, it's described as an "epidemic" among gays by the CDC. And why might this be? The CDC also notes that stigma against gays is a primary cause of depression and generally poor mental health in gays. With less support from family and social structure, gays fit the profile of a likely target of a pedophile. So we may have evidence that stigma against gays is itself the cause of gays being increased targets of pedophiles, and "imprinted" as pedophiles in turn.

 

B4UACT will target Gay Communities First with their Information .

 

You refute the tests Kinsey did, I don't know why you are bringing it up. I was talking about the preference pedophiles gave in the report I posted, where their criteria was preference - not actual encounters, particularly over the last 5 years.

 

Absurd argument. That while 4% of the men engage in sex with other men. 36% identify themselves as having an attraction to the same sex. PRECISELY the opposite, is the more likely reality.

 

So you're telling me that it's more likely 36% of men have had sex with another man, and are thus refuting the 4% statistic from the CDC?

And on what grounds do you base it that 36% would have sex with another man, but only 4% would express attraction to the same sex.

Your claim that "precisely the opposite" is true makes little sense and refutes the very source you used.

 

what in God's name does that clear up? Frankly the number is staggering.......what's that you say sec???

yep, let's review how many claim to be LGBT, that number is 3.4% of the total population with less than 2% claiming to be gay

so, if you take the 1038 in the study group, then even with 100% pedophilia to homo rate you should only see 2% as the number

basically, this study is skewed because it shows over 100% pedophilia for those who engage in gay sex.

You can't just take a total number like they do at 8% without also stating the total gay population

a true reflection would be that of 1038 people (pedos) then only 20-30 should have been gay at most which would mirror the 3.4% of the total LGBT population. (which would reflect 100% homo to pedo) Instead, the number is a staggering 80


so, I suggest not using this study because it does not take into account the % of gays in the total population

this is not a study to trumpet and cheer........if you are LGBT, you should be worried because this number reflects a lerge pedo to homo correlation

personally do I think 100% of all gay people are pedophiles.....heck no. This study is frankly a joke.

 

Uh, Yeah what he said, I think.