Why do people take the Jews so seriously?

I have actually read through the Rothschild Archives, and have researched various international Jewish financiers. In all cases involving government financing of conflicts, government leaders have come to financiers, not the other way around. For example, Japanese Finance Minister Takahashi Korekiyo came to Jewish banker Jacob Schiff, asking for financing of war bonds to finance the Russo-Japanese War. As I stated, Schiff used the opportunity to seek revenge on Russian Czars for the pograms against Jews. The British government came to the Rothschild family, asking for financing of their efforts in the Revolutionary War.

 

Proves nothing. A couple of Catholic saints, a pope, and a bunch of US generals condemning the Jews merely shows the extent to which they were disliked, not why.

OK, during the Civil War they manipulated the financial system in totally cynical ways, thus improving - probably justifiably, on their image as despised and usurious machinators. Even Lincoln was exasperated by them.

I guess the point is that they were and are prominent in appalling financial manipulations. Take the Rothschilds and Goldman Sachs.

Maybe these people have helped them earn the reputation they have acquired.

 

Yes it did.

As you then went on to realise.

 

A heroin addict will keep going back to a dealer, esp if he is the only dealer, then he can kill him off slow, but for more profit.

 

Still, you had many financiers of various wars that were not elite Jewish bankers. Other than Haym Solomon, the main financiers of the American Revolution were Protestant. In the Civil War, Jay Cooke, a devout Christian, was the primary financier for the Union. High finance is not something exclusive to Jews.

 

We already knew that. Trotting out Ulysses S Grant told us nothing more.

Jews set out to capture the money system and were often successful. That, along with a raft of other dubious distinctions, has made them disliked. Someone said that pages ago.

 

Then you need to explain why the Jews stand out and the Protestants do not. That is what the OP is about.

 

Like I said, for centuries, Jews have been scapegoated for various reasons. Consequently, people tend to focus on their banking schemes rather than the protestant's banking schemes. Focusing on one over the other is rather disingenuous.

 

Then many people have been "disingenous" for centuries. Jewish moneylenders and bankers have been prominently despised for their activities throughout countries and cultures. Shakespeare even wrote a play about one of them.

There is no question that the Jews have attracted disproprtionate and universal disapprobriation. Part of it stems from their financial activities (though I'm sure the British government was periodically grateful to, and indebted to, the Rothschilds).

But there is more to it than that. Even poor Jews were persecuted in, for example, Russia.

Is it that they have a tradition of dissent that riles everyone and makes them conspicuous?

 

Yes, we do have a tradition of dissent. Karl Marx was Jewish, so we are legitimately blamed for being the perpetuators of Socialism/Communism. In addition, as you stated, Jews were persecuted in Russia. They were used as a scapegoat, but also sometimes properly blamed for being revolutionaries and rebels. As I stated earlier, Jacob Schiff, a prominent Jewish banker, utilized the opportunity given to him by the Japanese Finance Minister in the early 1900's to seek revenge against the Russians who conducted pograms by financing Japanese war bonds for the Russo-Japanese war.

 

The question still arises: why are Jews so often used as scapegoats?

The answer is probably that they acquired an identity that made them conspicuously and negatively different in the communities in which they lived.

Some of that reputation they no doubt deserved. It is no great feat to assume anonymity. But they did not. Their existence, and the way they chose to portray it, attracted hate. It is rather "disingenuous" that they could not figure that out.

 

Do you mean to say "illegitimately blamed", or are Marx's writings the achievement of all Jews, just as Judas stands for all? lol

 

No. I use the phrase "legitimately blamed" because it was correct that many Russian Jews were in fact Socialists/Communists.

 

Many Jews chose to flaunt their successful lifestyles. Maybe it is because they did so more often than others. Being known as elites in the public eye led to scapegoating.

 

Despite Marxs' father having converted to Christianity and raising Karl as a christian.

Nope, he learned evil in the shul!

 

Yep. And only idiots will take Haredi to be the majority. Considering they are the smallest group

 

Are you Jewish? Do you know anything at all about Judaism, and what religious thought is on Zionism?

 

So they were betrayed by their elites?

That might well be a large part of the narrative. And raises the curious question that those who attacked Jews were simply a function the Jews themselves made of them?

No excuse, of course. But understandable.

 

Of course they're not the majority , but in Israel - Sephardic Haredim are not the smallest politically and exercise considerable extreme political influence.. No ?





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No argument here, but ironically, a lot of the blame goes to anti-Semitism in Europe. There was a combination of interest from Zionists and from anti-Semites in having Jews move from Europe into what would become modern Israel.

It's hard to blame Jews for wanting to return to their homeland when you look at how much of Europe viewed them.

Even America has its own history of hatred toward Jews.

 

I'd say it was a bit of both. Jews like everyone else had mixed fortunes throughout the ages .
While some assimilated /fiitted in/adapted , others chose to isolate themselves and viewed the Goyim/Gentiles as lesser beings resulting in a predictable reaction from gentiles. Its almost like the chicken and egg puzzle .


As for "Jews returning to their homeland " is just a load of tosh . The early Zionist (mainly atheists) never considered Palestine as their "homeland " they at first considered some other options such as Uganda/Cyrenaica and this :

Zionist plans in Argentina Leon Pinsker, in his book Autoemancipation (1882) and Theodore Herzl, in his book The Jewish State (Der Judenstaat), evaluated Argentina as a potential destination for the oppressed Jews of Eastern Europe.

Some sources maintain that Herzl proposed that the Argentina project be given priority over settlement in Palestine

The Zionist records attest to the fact that Herzl did consider Argentina, as well as present-day Kenya, as alternatives to Palestine. Also, Israel Zangwill and his Jewish Territorialist Organization (ITO) split off from the main Zionist movement; the territorialists' aim was to establish a Jewish homeland wherever possible. The ITO never gained wide support and was dissolved in 1925, leaving Palestine as the sole focus of Zionist aspirations.

[edit] Use in Argentine public discourseExtreme right-wing had a strong foothold in the military, mostly through the teachings of Jordán Bruno Genta. In these circles, the Andinia Plan was sometimes assumed to be a fact, even though the Zionist movement had abandoned all plans related to Argentina decades ago, and Argentine Jewish institutions (headed by DAIA) were recognized by (and conversant with) all Argentine governments, including military juntas.

Later versions of the "Plan", as published in Argentine Neo-Nazi media since the 1970s, involved an alleged Israeli intention to conquer parts of Patagonia and declare a Jewish state. This theory did not take hold in mainstream political discourse. Many Israelis tour South America, many of them immediately after their military service, with Patagonia being a favored destination[3].

During the 1976-1983 dictatorship, some Jewish prisoners of the armed forces, notably Jacobo Timerman, were interrogated about their knowledge of the Andinia plan, and were asked to provide details regarding the preparations of the Israeli Defense Forces for the invasion of Patagonia .

source Wiki .


Serfin , there's a great deal about early Zionist aspirations which preset day Israeli propagandist would rather not be generally known .

Also note Jews in Europe throughtout, more aften as not , fared + enjoyed a considerably better standard of life - was more prosperous , than the average European citizen . So , life couldnt have been all that bad , could it ?


On the other hand , the Nazis did go too far , gaining sympathy which post 1945 Jews eagerly explointed.


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Well then.

Has that not answered your broad query?

 

Jewish suffering is not any greater or more pained than that of a non Jew.

To say anything other than that would be patently wrong, and demeaning the suffering of non Jews, while elevating that of Jews, at the same time.

Now, unlike some who put words into my mouth, I must make clear that this is not something I have read you write.

And yet, as evidenced by Finkelstein in 'The Holocaust Industry', an alien landing on planet Earth may be forgiven that Jewish suffering is somehow more common AND also more important.

Make no mistake, Zionists have stolen the 'holocaust' and turned large scale suffering, of many people, Jews and otherwise, into an exclusively Jewish event, and one for which those who were not responsible must pay guilt money. Not that much of this money ever actually goes to the source it is meant to go to, the poverty levels of the real sufferers will support that claim.

I truly can think of anything lower, anything more exploitative, than turning an event from history of this type, into some sort of macabre Disneyland, esp when, as mentioned, we have the poverty issue.

And no prizes for guessing into whose pockets the massive profits really go, right?

It's used in other ways too. To extort money from German people, for something they did not do. I am not legally responsible for the actions of my father, why should Germans have money taken from their tax, and paid out? It is a scam, I'm sorry.

It's even used as a means to ensure that the US public keep sending their tax dollars, or don't question it when party after party keeps writing that welfare cheque. And NO Americans were responsible, now or in the past!

Not only is it a despicable industry, but one that is protected in law, unlike any other.

In up to ten European countries, if you do not accept precisely what the 'official story' is about the Nazi holocaust, then it can make a criminal of you.

Yes, for having an alternative view, that deviates from the state view, you can be placed in prison. Even if you are a historian, and write it in a book.

I find those laws questionable, because the best way always is to hear the view, then you can debate it.

By making any alternative view a crime, you engage in something which is as anti democratic as book burnings.

 

What difference does it make to you, whether I am Jewish or not, would my opinion be more special or chosen were it so?

Well, as it turns out, I am not chosen, merely a simple gentile, yet look at this, stupid Goyim can see and think, and what I see is the systematic, on going, and perpetual eradication of a native people, by an immigrant population, who are not representative of Judaism, but of Jewish Nationalism.

Hitler and most of the Reich were RC. Does that mean they are typical of all RC's.

Of course not.

The 1000 year reich was all about reclaiming land that the Nazi's believed to belong to them, and ultra German nationalism.

Zionism, like National Socialism, is a poltical idealogy, of the same cloth.

Rather than German nationalism and promoting the idea of being special, it is Jewish nationalism, and promoting the idea of Jews being special. It is land in the ME, not in Europe.

Neither were/are special, but people are vain and buy into the idea, elevating their importance above that of all others.

And we can sort of see how this tends to play out, right?

 

You did well there, save for the second last line.

Logically, to 'return' someplace, you must first have been.

I cannot 'return' to America, if I have never been, can I?

It is a contradiction in terms.

Moreover, it is entirely immoral to set about on a programming of illegally expelling the native people from the land, and stealing their homes, while they sit at the other side, still carrying their title deeds.

A Palestinian who was born there, cannot even go back there,even for a holiday.

A person born in the US, who has never been outside of the US, who speaks no Hebrew, and knows of no one in Israel(TM), they can go live there.

There are only two sets of eyes who can see that as moral, legal, or ethical.

Psychopaths.

Criminals.

Jack