Why do people take the Jews so seriously?

I am not 100% sure what you mean by 'seriously'.

Truth be told, the biggest % of Americans never used to give a stuff about Jews, Zionist or otherwise.

It was a documented fact that things were not so good for European Jews, this was widely reported in US press of the time, and yet there was no public demand to offer them sanctury, and quite a few powerfully backed campaigns not to permit it at all, ironically, Zionists were among the most vocal in Jews not being permitted large scale refuge.

It could be said that it was in their greater interests, the creation of a uber nationalist Jewish state, in the heart of Arab lands, to let European Jews be literally trapped, with the inevitable outcomes.

Don't believe me?

Fair enough.

Perhaps you will take it from this man;


The term "Zionism" was first introduced in 1893 by Nathan Birmbaum, but Theodor Herzl, an Austrian Jew born to a prosperous, emancipated Budapest family, is recognized as the founder of the Zionist idealogy when he published his book in 1896, "The Jewish State", where he declared that the cure for anti-semitism was the establishment of a Jewish state. As he saw it, the best place to establish this state was in Palestine.

While Herzl claimed that the establishment of a "Jewish" state would cure anti-Semitism, he also promoted anti-Semitism to further his cause.
Herzl stated in his diary:


“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)

Benny Morris (the Israeli Historian), described how Herzl foresaw how anti-Semitism could be "HARNESSED" for the realization of Zionism. He stated:

"Herzl regarded Zionism's triumph as inevitable, not only because life in Europe was ever more untenable for Jews, but also because it was in Europe's interests to rid the Jews and relieved of anti-Semitism: The European political establishment would eventually be persuaded to promote Zionism. Herzl recognized that anti-Semitism would be HARNESSED to his own--Zionist-purposes." (Righteous Victims, p. 21)

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/herzl/index.cfm

Even after WW2, there was not a great deal of thought dedicated by Americans, to the intern camps, and what has been dubbed the 'holocaust'.

You can look this up yourself, the interest simply was not there, indeed, many Americans of that time and before, did not trust or even like Jews.

This part probably began to change in the late 60's, when the industry that is now the holocaust, and the social engineering of ensuring that a new generation of Americans would regard Jewish suffering as special suffering.

Four decades on, you can see every day how well it has worked.

Historically, Jews have not been the 'most persecuted of all people', this is 100% BS.

It's just that little or no attention is given to the large scale suffering of anyone who is not a Jew, by the media and, I must say, in school.

What do you think people cry more crocodile tears over - the 'Jewish suffering' of the Nazi intern camps, or the 20 million plus Christian Russians slaughered by Bolsheviks?

It's okay, it's rhetorical.

The Zionist PR machine ensures that the Jewish suffering is somehow made more special, pained, or elevated, beyond that of any other.

And they do not even do this with good intent.

They do it for financial and political gain.

Which, imo, is spitting on the graves of those that did die, esp as they have become the same sort of monsters that considered themselves respectable Germans(of that era).

Finkelstein wrote a great book about it - The Holocaust Industry.

If you have a few quid, go buy it, if you are really interested, he is a good source.

 

Then you have not been following this thread with even an atom of intelligence.

The dDiplomat has just asked us to pay tribute to Jewish figures.

And the Diplomat says he is Jewish himself.

 

No, I am not Jewish, I just do not like ignorant generalizations. People should be viewed as individuals, not as nebulous blobs. Just because SOME Jews did such-and-such does not mean it is accurate to generalize about ALL Jews. The OP's question presumes, ignorantly and erroneously, that there is some rational reason as to why people would view "the Jews" with suspicion and even contempt. Such an attitude is despicable and bigoted and should not be justified with a serious response like "power". "The Jews" are not a homogeneous blob; not all Jews are powerful; indeed, the Jews that Hitler sent to the concentration camps were decidedly without power. By providing the OP with a serious response, you are dignifying his premise by lending it credibility.

 

Ah, but you see, so pervasive are they, so revisionist, that they have even forced the Pope to formally rewrite things.

Not so long ago, he was placed on a podium and announced that Jews did not kill Jesus, after all.

Technically, it was the Romans you could say, but the truth is that the Romans were sort of like the police in that region, in that time.

Had the Jewish (perhaps they were even called something else then) not demanded his execution, odds are that the Romans would not have given a great deal of care to Jesus.

If you like, these early people were like early day Zionists.

Today, Zionist police the world, by proxy of the American military. Who do their dirty work for them.

Back then, these early Zionist manipulated the Romans into doing their dirty work for them.

Sound familiar, right?

 

He said no such thing. Stop spreading lies. He is just pointing out the fact that many Jews have been quite intelligent and accomplished.

 

To an extent I did, yet there are many non-Jews that deserve praise. Our founding fathers deserve to be celebrated. Thomas Edison, the great inventor and Deist deserves to be celebrated. John F. Kennedy, a Catholic was a great President, and deserves to be celebrated. The Wright Brothers, who I am pretty sure were not Jewish deserve to be celebrated. I can go on and on.

 

Indeed, and unlike Aw's claim, nobody is celebrating them simply because they're Jewish, we're celebrating them because of their contributions to humanity; the fact that they are Jewish is purely incidental.

 

There was some feeling that he does have Jewish lineage, however it is moot.

Here is the main point.

As I keep saying, Judaism is not Zionism.

Therefore, Murdoch can be a fervent Zionist, and not a Jew.

A Jew can be a devout Jew, yet hate Zionism, and what Israel do.

There used to be FIFTY different media and news groups in 1980, in the US.

Today there are five.

If you want to understand why people are so misinformed and in a uniformed manner, here is your key reason.

Four of those I mention are owned by Jewish Zionists. And Murdoch, albiet not a Jew, is more extreme than any of them.

 

They do not own my house,I own it and have the deeds to prove that.

Back to the topic.

I suppose the Jews bad press comes from over 1500 year of the Church of Rome. Jews the killer of Christ and all that. The you have the money lender thing that another poster pointed out from the middle ages and now you have the rightwing nutters who have run the state of Israel for the last few decades.

 

Yes. Christian groups, especially dissenters (the Huguenots, Cathars and many, many others) have been ruthlessly persecuted in some societies for thousands of years. But they were successful in creating the dominant religions/identities in Europe and elsewhere which eventually insulated them from other than internecine blood-letting.

The Jews never did until Israel came along. They have alway been a small and conspicuous minority wherever they went.

Of course, the creation of Israel, its persecution of Palestinians, its unrelentingly hypocritical exploitation of Jews as victims, and its manipulation of American politics has just made the identity problems of Jews exponentially worse.

My guess is they will be disliked for centuries to come. And, because the Jewish diaspora is forever aligned with the moral failure of the state they have created and tolerated, perhaps millennia. If they survive that long.

 

That you evidence a piece of third rate comedy trash on a decent political debate, kind of puts things into perspective.

This was a platform to bring forward your arguement, and what did you bring forth...a worthless piece of garbage, which by the way, would likely have you having a fit, were it the other way around.

Yup, Sasha Baron Cohen, aka 'Borat', a supposedly 'funny' charachter, who I am sure did not mean to degrade a country, a people, a culture, and a religion, with his flthy portrayal.

And naturally, it is just a coincidence that he is a Zionist Jew, right?

If this had been a Muslim, dressed as Christ, portrayed as sleeping with goats, and being thick, there would be uproar.

So, thanks for further evidencing my point.

Jack

 

Take no notice. Jason's trolling is legendary.

But usually not worth reporting.

 

Is he? I know he is Jewish.

 

Well I think OP's question is a valid one. From my understanding he wants to know why Jews who are such a tiny minority have come to received so much political attention? Both positive and negative. Both fame and infamy.

 

Exactly.........

But some people have nothing better to do than distort and corrupt.

 

So many myths here.

Are you now going to roll out Albert Eistein and some Nobel Prize winners to evidence this greater intellect and ambition that you claim?

Well, you may want to look into the NPW framework a bit more, but to put it into perspective, Obama won the NPP, and that is worth s**t, isn't it?

Besides which, to accept what you are suggesting, is to ignore the many great achievements, in every single walk of life, from those that are not Jews.

Indeed, I can say without fear of contradiction, that everything from democracy to all else you care to mention, has been fashioned far more by non Jews, than Jews.

But of course, it is little surprise, even as a non Jew, that you buy this line that they are someone genetically different, even superior in their intellect.

This is the sort of nonsense conclusion, and anti science of Nazi Germany, no offence to you personally, but this idea that by their German blood alone, they were more intelligent, etc, etc.

I believe this overt idea of being exceptional caught on, among Germans.

Remind me, how did that play out?

As to usury, there is no question that Jews are userers, even their own writing support and encourage it.

With one caveat - they are not meant to practice usury on other Jews. They absolutely encourage financial exploitation of non Jews.

You can go check that, if you wish.

So, you can see right there, for those that blow that way, there is even an instruction if you like, to financially exploit all those that are not Jews.

Thus, you must see how that can be woven into the culture of modern day Jews?

Is financial exploitation a good thing?

Well, how is the World's economy looking around now?

But don't for a nano second think that Zionist Jewish banks, like Goldman Sachs are feeling the pinch.

On the contrary, they do rather nicely off the back of debt of any kind, as well as a plethora of other questionable activities.

Moreover, it was the New York money men and their ilk that caused much of the economic problems that the ordinary people are suffering for.

They use our money, to bail out their gambling and bad business sense.

As to your mawkish remarks about 'gods chosen', first of all, how much credence do you put in the words of an invisible Hebrew god, who, surprise surprise, just happened to 'promise' something to these people. And, of course, he did all of this through the hand of man.

The Reich believed that Tutonics were also destined, chosen, and doing god's work.

Which one has most credibility? How about neither.

Besides, the Jews BROKE their convenant with 'god', and he scattered them to live among others.

Go look it up.

It is forbidden in the Torah to create what is called 'Israel' today.

True Torah Jews only the 'messiah' should shape this, when he comes.

They regard a forced biblical prophecy as an abomination of their religion.

 

Except for being born there, raised there, and owning land there, no, you are totally right, it is much more fair to let some fat American Jew, who cannot speak any Hebrew, who is not even remotely religous, who has never been out of America, to 'return' there. By way of theft and force.

Fecked up logic.

 

What guff.

What he wants you believe, is that like a slave, you should be grateful to the Jewish banks that you bailed out, and the speculators.

They are VICTIMS, not us.

*Amazing*

 

Are you really this naive usually?

 

If I were a true Christian, I would be mortally offended at what you just wrote there.

 

Poverty in Israel

Sixty percent of Ultra Orthodox Jewish men who live in Israel do not work,that is 3 times more than 30 years ago. They bum off the government of Israel.Hardly doing very well in life.
Poverty in Israel

One out of every three Holocaust survivors lives in poverty

One out of every three Israeli Holocaust survivors lives in poverty, aid groups told Army Radio on Friday, adding that the financial crisis brought with it a significant increase in appeals for aid.

A 74-year-old survivor, whose entire family perished on the Romanian-Russian border, said that he felt he and fellow survivors were "forsaken in the most shameful way here in Israel,"
One out of every three Holocaust survivors lives in poverty

 

Okay, (and I just know I am going to get blamed, as if I said these things myself), but let's look at the CONTENT of this, and see what you feel..


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Ultra Orthodox Jews are one of the influences that give Jewry a bad name.

They are the Fascists of the Jewish people. Their antics and attempts to oppress other Jews are tragic and comedic at the same time.

 

Yes I happen to agree with that. They put Israel in a very bad light with their antics and their anti women policies,hardly very democratic.

 

Ever checked this guy...

He knows his religion has been hijacked, and that is pretty despicable, even if I am not religous.

The Zionists have done it to Christianity in the US, as well, perverting it into something callled 'Christian Zionism'.

Oddly enough, most Neo Zionists are not religous, at least not those with true influence.

Their own interest in it is to further their own nationalistic and racial purity ends.



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