Attempting to understand Islam

Just an attempt to understand Islam...

Can a muslim tell me why muslims are encouraged by Islam to lie to non muslims as per the
attached link:

Most people would assume, after reading this, that muslims cannot be trusted....am I correct...

http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror...ts-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

 

Quite simply it is the right of Muslims when facing persecution or death or threat of harm to deny they are Muslims, to deny their faith.

To be honest in real life to find a Muslim denying their faith would be quite rare.

The best example would be to compare it to the Jewish Marranos or Conversos in Spain.

Jews who were facing persecution lied about truly converting to Christianity.

They pretended to convert during the Spanish Inquisition and under the Christian monarchs Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand to Christianity but actually kept their Jewish faith.

 

I'm not a Muslim but here is some more info:

So Muslims not encouraged to lie by the Quran, they are permitted to deny their faith if they are in fear of persecution

Whereas a Christian who was under threat of persecution for being a Christian, would have to be persecuted, because of course Christians don't lie about anything.

There are other ways in which Islam is also more realistic than Christianity. For example, it encourages Muslims to fight back if they are attacked, whereas Christianity teaches turning the other cheek. When someone hits you do you fight back by way of self-defence, or do you offer him the other side of your face?

Dusty

 

Thank you for responding, but you obviously didnt read the entire link, which refers to muslims being encouraged to lie if it assists
in the advancement of Islam...go to the bottom on the link and you will also read comments from various people which arent very
flattering..perhaps you could comment on the entire link, rather than picking a couple of points which suit you....

 

I dont know what voices the Christian GWB was hearing in his head and from what God but clearly that God was not saying turn the other cheek 9/11

 

Very true. Nor did he do to others as he would have others do to him.

Dusty

 

I am not a Muslim and up until a few minutes ago, knew nothing on this subject. So if I am in error here I would appreciate more knowledgeable help.

The first thought that crossed my mind in trying to gain greater knowledge on the subject was to ask what exactly "Al-taqiyya" is and how it originated. I know that there are opponents of Wiki, but it is often an excellent first source attempt - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya:

So when Don Boys (Ph.D) writes in the quoted OP article that "Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so", and when he goes further to claim "Systematic lying as a religious policy", he appears to be demonstrating dishonest debating or a woeful lack of knowledge or both. Whichever is the reason, it makes him a most unreliable source.

Boys goes further to write:

Mister Pot, what were you saying about Señor Kettle?

I would ignore Boys, with or without Ph.D, Mister Magoo, and seek some more scholarly work on the subject.

 

I dont read much Wikipaedia because as we all know it can be written by anyone with an agenda.

What I gave you was the Islamic view. The meaning of the Arabic word. The Qurans interpretation of the word and when it can be used.

I'm not really interested in the non Arabic speaking Jihadwatch anti Islamic versions.

If you want to know the meaning I have given it to you here.

 

There are several Islamophobic sites, and plenty of haters who like to promote them. Not everything people post on the internet should be taken as factual.

One thing that's noticeable though, although there are several Islamaphobic sites started by non-Muslims, where are all the anti-Christianity and anti-Judaism sites started by Muslims?

Dusty

 

exactly

 

Thanks for the responses so far...I will continue to read and speak to muslims and form my own opinions....

 

That's the best way of finding out the truth.

I would advise you to stay away from all the hundreds of thousands of created anti Islamic sites and not be tangled up in the web of deceit of a lot of dishonest posters who claim to be experts on the subject who can't even read Arabic. Posters who daily here quote part of a verse or a verse without it's context. THEY are the liars.

 

Hmmm..


Good advice, wondering if you ever thought to practice that yourself? do some learning away from hate sites? do you read hebrew? yet you "quote part of a verse or a verse without it's context" of the Bible and/or Talmud do you not?

 

There was a debate program in English last night on TV and if I see a link to it I will post it here.

It was a debate between a protestant priest and an imam from Al Azhar both Egyptians living in Egypt.

They were discussing the anti Islam spreading and the cartoon and protests.

It's a shame people could not have watched it outside our region.

Both agreed that the Wahabi doctrine is creating huge problems for Muslims in our region. The Imam of Al Azhar condemned them for not knowing Islam and not practicing the real Islam. Of the Wahabi sheikhs calling for violent and forceful protests in Egypt while denying them that same right in the Gulf.

It was a very good program and highlighted a lot of cross religious views where they both spent a lot of time in each others religions and homes and places of worship. Camps where they went with both Christians and Muslims in the desert to learn more tolerance after 30 years of Mubarak regime plus the the spreading of Wahabism and intolerance to our country.

Very good program called Daily Debate with host Dina Osman.

 

such as?

some examples

 

Well your "resentment" to Jews and the "diabolic" Talmud?

did you not tell me once that Jews want to kill all gentiles according to the Talmud? that they practiced medicine in old times as to posion ppl? spread the black plague? betray. steal and decite as part of their religion? all that without reading Hebrew....

Didnt you share the same christaristics you just gave those that condemed Islam?

 

I am not a muslim, but I have had plenty of contact with muslims both in my own country and in several muslim countries, including socially and in the workplace.

I have NEVER met a muslim who thinks it is OK to lie to non muslims.

but I have encountered plenty of islamophobes who encourage each other to tell lies about muslims, and who praise each other when they tell lies about muslims.

magoo ... you might want to think about your source.

its like using mein kampf as a legitimate source for information on the behaviour of Jews.

 

My point exactly, or the the "protocoles" or half quotes from the Talmud etc'

I cant understand ppl that expirence such hate on themselves and chose to pracice it on others, its more than stupidity, I cant explain it actually...

 

Settle down guys...Im just trying to learn....

 

I'd like some links please

you are obviously confusing me with someone else

 

Mommy and Daddy are not fighting over you Magoo


Its an old score, I actually was quite happy with Abu's response, it was what I tried to tell him along time ago,

The reason he doesnt respond is probebly because he thinks that being fair applies to Muslims mainly, Jews "proved" to be naturaly evil to him and I think the Koran also says something about not trusting Jews or Christians, Abu?

 

Links?, if you say dont belive in all that it will do...., im not here to trap you, if you are willing to be open minded about Judaism as you want others to be about Islam - I cant possibly ask for more.

 

all the holy books can be a source of wisdom, but can all be misrepresented by the irresponsible or unscrupulous.

anyone looking at sources that clearly have an agenda (such as that cited in the OP, but there are plenty of others that target other groups) should be mindful that these are created by people who abuse their right to free speech to promote hatred and division. The creators of these sites might be doing this to malign or even provoke their target group, and I agree it is more than stupidity, and like you, I can not imagine what it must be like to be consumed by such hatred.

The deliberate maligning and misrepresentation of a group is one thing, but through the abuse of free speech, these people may well threaten legitimate free speech in the long run.

 

I dont like being accused falsely and that is what you done. You cant post the links because there are none. Black death, poisoning? not me.

If I had missed this and not replied readers here would think what you said was true. Lucky I caught it and corrected it.

Do I trust Jews?

Well just look at today as an example............................

Just look at the lies each day. ie Palestine never existed etc etc etc

 

You can't comprehend Islam until you know:

1. Muhammed was basically a Christian;
2. He was poisoned;
3. After he passed away, Islam was taken over by people who pretend to be Muslims, but who were/are not;
4. These people assassinated all opposition and altered the record of what Muhammed taught;
5. They used the excitement and momentum of Islam to turn it into a vehicle of conquest, power and wealth for the insiders;
6. The Saudis are the main fountain head of this "Islam" today.

This mentality tried to kill other Prophets in the Past, for example the Prophets Joseph and Solomon: