Part 3 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Thank you for providing an excellent example of how a religion based on love creates hatred and death.

Your "God" would be proud.

 

Not at all. But very much in favor of using the rational mind we have been given. If you are to love your God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind and leave out the mind, you are not loving God with all you are called to use.

 

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Instead all he gives is his opinion/belief. Damaging christianity along the way, I might ad. Not surprisingly, disappointed. You are actually hurting the religion you believe in. I don't think that sits well with the creator. You should stop and learn your religion better before you discredit God any further.
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When I quote Scripture, how is it you believe it is my opinion? I have given numerous passages of Scripture, which by the way are not my opinions but rather the Word of God. And so how have I damaged the Christian faith? Tell me where have I stepped outside of the boundaries concerning the tenets and doctrines of the faith?

You are just spouting off false emotionally biased opinions, most of what you offer are invalid statements, logical fallacies predominantly of the ad hominem type.

How could anyone have an honest civilized discussion with you when most of what you do is to belittle the opposition. That seems to be an habitual pattern of yours.

 

Oh this is sweet.....a Jew cannot die for the sins of others, a Muslim cannot die for the sins of others. So because Islam has no dying god man on a cross that by the way was represented by a Lamb on a cross for 800 years they are wrong?

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And your conformation biased is not any different is it?

 

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When did God say the bible is exactly his inspired word?
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Your question is a logical fallacy of the appeal to ignorance type. Since no one can give a difinitive answer (date, time, location), it does not mean therefore the bible is not the inspired word of God.

However, we can still give a reasonable response using the bible to know that the bible is indeed the inspired Word of God. In 2 Timothy 3:16-17 NLT states, "All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip His people to do every good work."

Then there is the matter of prophecy. The Bible stands alone as a book stuffed with prophecy. It is the very heart of Scripture. With prophecy, God gives the faithful hope by promising better things in the future. Likewise, the wicked are warned of impending judgment if they don't change their ways. The Bible is unique from all other religious texts because it gives specific, detailed prophecies that were fulfilled just as written. Below are a few prophecies that demonstrate their precision.

The coming of the Jewish Messiah is the focus of the Old Testament. There are over 300 separate prophecies about the "Holy One of Israel" found there. They are so specific as to predict the city of Jesus' birth (Micah 5:2), His nature (Isaiah 7:14), His works of healing and miracles (Isaiah 35:5-6), His betrayal for thirty pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12-13), His suffering (Isaiah 53), His style of execution (Psalm 22) and His resurrection (Psalm 16:10, Acts 13:35) amongst other things.

These prophecies were written anywhere from 400 to 1000 years before Jesus' birth, yet they describe His life with the accuracy of an eyewitness. The odds against a living person meeting even a few of these predictions is so astronomical it is considered an impossibility.

 

Quote Posted by OJLeb:

Perhaps I spoke too soon.

One of the basic fundamentals of Abrahimic faiths is the belief in the same God.
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C'mon now OJ...surely you must know there are distinct differences in your belief and the Christian belief.

Mainly it has to do with our Lord Savior Jesus Christ. So in essence we are not worshipping God in the same way, hence we have two entirely different beliefs.

 

You want to explain evolution to a Scientist by using a chart you found on wiki? I am very familiar with Science, but thank you for the effort. However, the only one here claiming men evolved directly from Apes was you, the rest of us learned evolution in grade school.
Once again, you make a strawman argument. Its great that you finally at least googled evolution.
Also, when someone calls themself a witch or thinks they really are a witch, it doesnt make them a witch. It makes them certifiably crazy.
Many people think they are vampires, it doesnt mean they are.
If I told you I was GOD would you believe me because I said so?
as far as #4 Ive made no strawman argument whatsoever. For the same reason you cant post the factual evidence of where Hawkings "corrupted" science you cant show where Ive done that. I dont need to make up strawman arguments. My argument is sound all on its own. Facts are on my side not yours, thats why you are forced into a strawman argument.
Since I dont think you know what that argument is, I'll explain it to you.
Using your ape argument:
You state I think men evolved directly from Apes, then ask me for evidence to prove it. When clearly Ive never said that. Then you post your very first scientific chart showing science shows otherwise. - Thats a strawman argument.
To be clear - I firmly believe in Evolution. It is scientific fact. Its evidence can be held in your hands, it can be measured with DNA. It can be seen in geology. Every living thing on Earth has evolved and continues to do so. If you think the science is wrong you need to post your own scientific findings disproving it, otherwise you have no basis to say anything to slander the science or the scientists.

 

Say what?

Well then I suggest you stop saying its the word of a god.

So 400-1000 years before the birth of this jesus they are eyewitnesses? Must have been some good meth!

 

Uh, you can't use a book that says it's divinely inspired to say that it's divinely inspired. That's circular reasoning.

Too bad that the oldest surviving Tanakh comes from about 400 BCE, which is after all of the prophecies in question, and the oldest New Testament that isn't just some fragmented pieces comes from 400 CE, which is after pretty much all of its prophecies (except Revelations, but that's so metaphorical as to make it possible to predict anything and therefore nothing), there's no reason to trust those prophecies as being correctly made in the first place as opposed to "corrected" after the fact to make it appear that they were always correct.

The Rabbi Maimonides says that Jesus only fulfilled prophecy insofar as Jesus was responsible for the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem and that Jesus was basically a devil incarnate. Now, is that the correct interpretation of the Tanakh?

It's never occurred to you that the Jews who said Jesus was the Messiah were aware of these prophecies and shoe-horned or added such things to Jesus' biography so he would fulfill prophecy?

Considered impossible by whom? Especially since the people living around him were aware of those prophecies (and so was Jesus, assumably, what with being a devout Jew and all) and if he had set his mind to it, he could have fulfilled those he could have (riding a donkey into Jerusalem for Passover) and lied about those he couldn't (his place of birth) or had someone write posthumously about him fulfilling those prophecies when he hadn't.

 

Regardless of what you think/believe, God's chosen disagree with you. That should send up some signals.

 

Your cohort wanren posted just a little while ago how jesus in not the messiah of the jews, (his words is king of jews), but you say he is?
So 1 person says it, timothy and it has to be taken as gospel? How would timothy know but no one else?
I believe someone posted in this thread all the prophcies that Jesus did not fulfill. So he many have fulfilled some he did not fulfill all. BTW - I don't have those unfulfilled prophecies at hand but you must have replied since you are replying to all posts.

 

No one has claimed you don't have different beliefs.
The claim is they are the same God. And they are. The differences are how one achieves eternal paradise.

 

How can it be the same God, when we Christians believe in the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and the Muslims just believe in the Father?

I tell ya, you claim you were a former Christian...but I don't know if that is true now!...sheesh!

 

Quote Posted by Woody:
No actually what's mind boggling is to think that a man made created god did it all.....and to take the creation myth in the bible literal is dangerous.
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That just your biased opinion and not based on absolute knowledgeable truth.

 

I see that when I say things, I have to have 2 different versions, one is for the ones who can easily understand what I say and another one is for you...lol

Let be more precise for you, when I said the Jewish Messiah, what I really meant was that Jesus being of Jewish ancestry was the Messiah that was propheseid to come as written in the Old Testament.

He wasn't the Jewish Messiah, in the sense that the Jews accepted Him as the Messiah because as we know they didn't. Now are we clear with this?...sheesh!...lol

 

I see now why you dairyair have a hard time interpreting the bible. You definitely have a problem with comprehending what you read...I mean even the simple things I say get misinterpreted by you...lol

Too funny!

 

Wow, a sudden 360 degree turn, now we are on the same page, humans did not evolve from apes as I have been asserting from the very beginning thank you science.

 

I know that because it was written in the Bible as well as biblical and secular history confirm that, I know that truth can be hard to handle.

 

So you leave the mind out, well that is your way not mine that is why Christians can understand the truth and accept that God dies exist because we use our mind to its full potential as God wanted us to use it.

 

Finally, you accept and acknowledge that men are not apes! By going back to your schooling that humans did not evolve from apes! And your strawman to say that I am the one who claim that human evolve from apes!!! wow now you see and your buddies are so confuse and here is another evidence as how confuse you are: you acknowledge humans did not evolve from apes and yet you believe in the evolution that men evolve from apes???? are you going around in cirlce??

I will proof that I am a good Christian by not insisting you do the Tarzan "AHAAAA...AHAAAA" I forgive you I know that you are just misinformed and forgot your school teacher taught you that humans are not apes and you don't have to thanks me for presenting the scientific chart that clearly show that humans are a species of their own and apes are a species of their own totally separated from human, you are welcome.

 

Well, we didn't evolve from modern apes, but apes have been around for some ~30 million years. Thus, humans did evolve from apes, just not orangutans, gorillas, or chimpanzees.

 

I found your post that you want me to answer so here it is;

Nope the Bible is not wrong, the glacial melting is part of the flooding that occur on the colder parts of earth.

Nope, I am presenting that scientist are divided in the global flooding.

It is not inconsistent because after 40 days God said that he will no longer wiped out humanity no matter how evil they become this mean there were some survivors.

If it myth you are looking for I can not present any except the fact that a global flood did happen.

Whether Eintein believe in a different God does not matter the bottom line is he believe in the existence of a Creator a God and it was God that motivated him and inspire him to want to learn how God created everything.

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Scientific proof please.

 

God did exist because we use our mind to its full potential as God wanted us to use it.

 

But, God is the jewish God. The OT is all about the jewish people. The prophets were all jewish and prophesying about their messiah. So if he is not the prophet the jews are waiting for, then just who is he? Are the chosen people now wrong?

 

Who was arguing against you? Do you often debate yourself?