When Dawkins says its "child abuse" to raise a child Catholic...

Nope.
Can't see any
Peace, love, joy, patience, goodness, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness or self control.

 

Don't forget that I also just plain said, straight up, "no." I even put it in bold and everything to make sure you didn't miss it. I don't know what your problem is. But, to reiterate yet again, I'm only here because you repeatedly lied, claiming people were saying something they were not.

You are a liar. Deal with it.

 

Do not forget also; Benevolence, Justice,Truth, Courage, Mercy and Honesty.
all those are Christian traits.....too bad you have abandon them.
We are at Peace and peace needs to be protected
[video=youtube;K1MuvvS_xSw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1MuvvS_xSw[/video]

 

Yes, a NO that came after several "I DON'T THINK SO" And I repeatedly ask and you repeatedly refuse you even agreed with your buddy anti Christian friend thebrucebeat why because you chose his lies over what ever honesty you have that you claim you have, so deal with it just like I have deal with me honesty and truth see the truth for the truth will set you free I believe that you have already made up your mind to lie because you do not like Christians.

You call me a lear?? Well here take a close look at your self....

 

You act as if there's any significant difference there. There is not.

Well, you DID just admit that I actually answered no, when before that you claimed I answered yes . So was that a mistake or a lie? I am man enough to retract me calling you a liar if you're man enough to admit that you made a mistake. Humans make mistakes from time to time you know.

 

We all know that. You is thumping a dead horse mercilessly. We got the message.
You can quit anytime. The horse aint ever going to get up.

 

Sorry, I did say I'd be like a dog with a bone. You're right. Go on then, WanRen, get the last word in if thats what matters to you.

 

Yeah.

That is the way Debate works.

The one side NEVER agrees with the other, even as the Score shows who the winner is.

It not like Boxing, where one side can throw the towel in.

So, do not expect a Win/Win because that is against the rules of Debate.
What we do see however, is the Social Dialectic in action, with the Atheists pushing against the Theists, both sure to force out the Synthesis of the totally different position Genesis is scientifically correct.

It is inevitable.

 

go for two last words, it only makes him look worse

 

Of course there is and that is the problem for you saying "I DON'T THINK SO" is the same as yes and no, it is not the same.

Of course I admit you said NO and at the same time you and thebrucebeat can't admit that you are mistaken or wrong to say that Christians baggage will be heavy, and most of all you just can't say that to thebrucebeat either instead you have to insist that I lied, I am wrong in spite of the fact that you just said it NO. Am I now to assume that your NO means I am right and thebrucebeat got it wrong?

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It makes the anti Christian really look bad.

What matters to me is the truth and honesty but you guys (anti Christians) just can not understand what truth is that is why you are so much not at peace.

And again just to set the record straight, did the Bible said that Christian baggage will be heavy or not as claim by thebrucebeat??? So now is your last chance.

 

When someone offers to let you get the last word in the conversation, making that last word end in a question mark doesn't seem like the brightest thing to do. Try again, I know you can do it!

 

Apparently the last word you will ever understand. Im sorry you lack the capacity for it.

 

Good additions.
Along with the Fruits of the Spirit I listed from Galatians that you didn't seem to recognize you don't display these either.

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Good additions.
Along with the Fruits of the Spirit I listed from Galatians that you didn't seem to recognize you don't display these either.

 

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Too bad you have abandon them

 

On the contrary, that is why I am honest enough to recognize and admit that anti Christians will never accept that the Bible is true and that is why you guys stick to your claims that Christians baggage will be heavy because that is your bible not the Christian and I am honest enough to recognize that.

Oh! maybe that is why you guys just can not accept the Christian Biblical Gospel of Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." because you are basically using a none Christian bible that according to your bible "Christian baggage will be heavy" now I get it.

 

No, it's more like people who use science, logic, reason, critical thinking, and common sense will never accept barbaric fairy tales designed to, by fear, get their loyalty, that are inconsistent, illogical, immoral, provide not one SHRED of physical evidence, etc. We're not against our Christian brothers, we are FOR evidence, FOR common sense, FOR morality, FOR fairness, etc. But the Bible is for none of those it can be argued.

 

This is what Dawkins said: He said children should be taught 'religion exists' but not taught it as fact.

Since our Christian God can only be known through faith, then wouldn't we be depriving a child of faith and of God, if they were not taught of it as a fact?

 

So where is the logic, reason, and common sense when thebrucebeat and his buddies continue to insist that the Bible said that Christians burden will be heavy when clearly the Bible did not state that? If you are not against Christians then you should acknowledge that what thebrucebeat has claim that Christians burden will be heavy is not true because no where in the Bible that state that. It would be nice if he and they can provide Biblical reference to back up his claim if not it is just plain lies and distortion that goes against your position that look for critical thinking, logic, reason and common sense there is none of that when someone try to misquote the Bible.

We can argue, debate or discuss about Bible, science and logic on some other thread but for now the fact remains anti Christians will never accept they got it wrong when they try to quote something what is not in the Bible in order to mislead Christians and the public and they are too proud to admit that. Are you one of them too?

 

Indeed WanRen! The reason is pathological denial. The seculars are truly imprisoned by a denial of the evidence for Gods existence! It's a denial that would make a 1k a day heroin addict’s claims of having no habit seem insignificant in comparison. Yeah, I have a million of em’ (bad analogies) proof by their usage in my post~ (below).

Ha ~ ha poor WanRen! He reminds me of Daniel* when in the lion's den, but with a difference. These secular lions are toothless, intellectually, philosophically, and logically. They lack the ability to deliver the bite of a true rebuttal. Instead of being willing to debate in good faith, they are offering up rehashed garbage while ignoring MB’s of evidence that support the existence of God, most of it available online!

I have entertained the idea that God exists is wrong. As an atheist I 'lived it'. However, the discipline of keeping an open mind no matter what ones paradigm (model of reality) consists of i.e. atheism, theism or _____ is difficult to impossible at times. By open mind I mean to consider that any idea may be valid etc. Yes I agree one must learn to ‘triage’ the fluff from the meat, i.e. the good ideas from other less creditable ideas but all must be at least considered to potentially be true etc!That is where many, I would guess nearly all ‘seculars’, as well as fundamental Christians fail miserably. Ironically the ability for an idea to fail is very similar to a portion of the scientific method. Falsifiability. Lastly I will say that falsifiability is like a little snowball on top of a big hill. Soon discoveries of science will snowball into a TOE. I am sure of it. I am also confident that Gods (GID’s) existence will be vindicated by science in the coming decades not eliminated by it.

* Daniel 16


reva

 

Have you read WanRen's posts?
I have found few with a less open mind and with a more tenuous grip on reality, regardless of their theology or lack of same.
Are you sure this is where you want to plant your flag as an ally?

 

How could anyone teach it as fact when it is entirely dependent on an investment of faith?
How could you teach your child something has absolute truth claims without teaching the tools to parse that statement for themselves?
To teach kids this when they have no intellectual defenses is the same way racists teach there kids to hate a group of people. Get to them before they can think for themselves.

 

I have no temporal allies even though humanity is in a spiritual war, and it’s a fight to the death. That said I consider him closer as a brother in the blood of Jesus than any non-believer. I haven’t read all his posts but I see nothing that would ostracize him from Christianity. Certainly there is nothing in the posts I have read that would qualify him an infidel. I can’t say the same for those that criticize him and his words without pause. In that way Wan is a kindred soul eh? As we all know blood is thicker than water, that goes double for Christian brothers and sisters, or rather it should*. So no Wan is not an ally but he is a blood brother in spiritual blood that is~ !

* I have defended Christians and seculars alike. Usually I am so far from what they define as a traditional Christian some of them reject my support!...Now what does that say about loyalty? The loyalty of Muslims is the only thing I envy about their religion. Hmmm' that would be a good thread. Islam takes that concept to extremes eh.


reva

 

As long as you keep saying "falsify" you just demonstrate that you are impervious to learning anything except ways to get even more turgid and wordy in expressing your ideologial nonsense.


and siding with wan for making up things about other people is shameful.

So is all your name calling or saying others are "pathological".