Part 8 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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Oh, sorry I thought I already have presented proof That Jesus Christ is no myth so here start with the Holy Bible then if you think that Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Persia, Greece, Rome, Herod, Pontius Pilate, the Pharisees mainly the high priest Caiaphas, the Apostles, St. Paul, St Ambrose, St. Anthony St. Anthony, called the Father of Monasticism, was born about 251 A.D. in Egypt, and spent much of his adult life as a desert hermit, St. Augustine A.D. 354 and died in A.D. 430 and etc are all myth then you have a problem. So do you think all those are myths?

So now your turn do you think all those are myths?

 

Our intelligence is higher in magnitude, but all creatures have intelligence that can be measured on a gradient scale. The only real impressive thing about humans is our ability to manipulate our surroundings on a far greater magnitude than other creatures. Anyways, why do you think our greater intelligence proves a soul? Why isn't the Tardigrades ability to live in space not indicative of a soul or of divine intervention?

1) Modern human beings have been on this planet for 200,000 years.
2) I have told you over and over again, evolution doesn't work towards any particular goal.

No, because it's a philosophical, particularly a metaphysical, concept. It isn't scientific in the least. Can we measure a soul?

No, it just means that science progresses. The first kidney transplant was in 1950. The first heart transplant was in 1967. This doesn't mean there was anything wrong with science.

Nothing you said here was correct. You need to learn how evolution works, and then you need to learn how taxonomies work.

So, is gravity science fiction?

That isn't what the diagram showed. And is that a confession to being a liar?

No, I don't think one exists. Do you understand why humans are considered mammals and animals?

Nobody does.

No, but he first predicted the particle existed.

Are we also not mammals or animals?

Why must you insist on telling lies about what people "know" or believe?

You don't believe in a human soul, you just want to believe it exists. You're afraid that it doesn't exist. Does me claiming this get us anywhere in a discussion?

I'm a human ape.

 

So you are saying that tardigrade have human intelligence because they can survive where humans can not? Fish can survive and live under water are too have human intelligence? How about mountain goats, eagles, ants, polar bears or how about cactus plants they too have human intelligence because they can survive where human can not?

If human evolution does not work on any particular goal then why are scientist kept on searching for the origin of man?

Can you measure a God-particle? So you deny the science of ;
neuroscience is the scientific study of the nervous system.[1] Traditionally, neuroscience has been seen as a branch of biology. However, it is currently an interdisciplinary science that collaborates with other fields such as chemistry, computer science, engineering, linguistics, mathematics, medicine and allied disciplines, philosophy, physics, and psychology.

Parapsychology study consciousness with respect to: telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance, psychokinesis, near-death experiences, reincarnation and apparitional experiences.

So you are only interested in the physical aspect of human evolution? Are you saying that science is only about the physical?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/06/head-transplant-italian-neuroscientist_n_3533391.html
In a provocative new paper, an Italian neuroscientist outlines how to perform a complete human head transplant, arguing that such a surgical procedure is now within the realm of possibility.

Switching heads sounds pretty "Frankenstein," for sure. But for decades researchers have been trying the procedure on animals. In 1970, the first head "linkage" was achieved in a monkey. But no one knew how to hook up the transplanted head to the spinal cord.

Now Dr. Sergio Canavero of the Turin Advanced Neuromodulation Group says he knows how to solve that problem.

Cloning is now progressing very soon we will learn if human brain which you claim is the source of human intelligence if transplanted into a none human animal can that animal possess or become intelligent like a human. At the moment we know that all none humans possess no human intelligence and it is the human intelligence that separate humans from apes and monkeys this human soul is what makes human intelligent.

I know how evolution work that is why I know and understand it is IMPOSSIBLE for humans to evolved from chimpanzee or from some Great Ape that supposedly is also where apes and monkeys evolved from.The human soul will totally destroy your taxonomies claim that is why you refuse to recognize the existence of the human soul and yet you have no explanation why you are more intelligent than monkeys.

Is ape to human for real or is it theory?
Do you think gravity is science fiction? How about human soul do you think that is science fiction or myth?
I do not believe gravity is science fiction.

You mean you are admitting you are a liar?

If you do not accept there exist a human soul then how do you understand mammals and animals? Do you think none human animals posses the same intelligence as you?

Good if you do not have problem with the God-particle then base on the discovery that particle is the source of human evolution.

Higgs was the first to predict it existed but it wasn't he who finally discover its existence. In fact with the billion$ funding from several European countries Mr. Higgs would not have been able to start his research because it was funding from European countries that particle should be name after those countries.

Are apes humans?

Why must you continue to be a liar?

Wow, now you are truly big liar to say I do not believe in a human soul! Not only do I believe in the human soul I believe it exist that is why I believe in God.

No such thing as human ape, either you are an ape or human. But, if you claim you are a human ape this mean you are a mutation a new breed of human that evolved or transmutated from ape and human with an ape parent and human parent to produce or give birth to you, so which ape species your other half came from is it chimpanzee, gorilla, baboon, or orangutan?

 

No, your English is terrible. I am saying that they are SPECIAL among life on Earth.

No. I'm asking you why you think that our level of intelligence is indicative of a soul when other creatures on this planet are just as special in other regards.

See? You don't even know what I'm talking about. This is why it is so frustrating to talk to you.

Yes, how do you think we found it?

Neuroscience uses methods to see what is happening in the brain. Meaning, it uses tools to measure brain structure and activity.

Wait, you call evolution science fiction but you think that telepathy, literally moving objects with the mind, is reality?

Science is about the MATERIAL world, not the immaterial world which may or may not exist.

I'm pretty sure implanting a brain from one person to an animal is unethical and not allowed.

Do you have any explanation for why Tardigrades can live in space, but no other organism can?

And please explain how you think evolution works, WanRen. I'll get the popcorn, because this ought to be a riot.

Apes ARE human, and the antonym to real is not theory.

But gravity is JUST A THEORY. You just told me that theories were science fiction.

Are you ever going to answer my questions or are you just going to repeat the questions back to me? Are you five years old?

No, but I don't think that all humans possess the same intelligence either. Are you telling me that a five year old doesn't have a soul because they aren't as intelligent as a recent college graduate?

HOW?

Your point?

Are mammals dogs?

Oh, you mean that it is lying to tell people what they know or do not know, or believe or do not believe? Good, then you get the point, STOP DOING IT. Stop claiming that you know what other people believe or know.

 

Then prove your claim that you did previously ask instead of just making a empty claim.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=328747&page=26&p=1063263321#post1063263321

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=328747&page=26&p=1063263809#post1063263809

 

No they aren't myths... There is hard evidence for each civilization you listed. There is hard evidence for Herod and Pilate.

I don't know of any proof of Jesus.. We take it on faith.

 

Quote Posted by OhZone on pg. 62 #616 of Part 3

Mitt Ryan says: “(*)our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, who paid for the sins of mankind by sacrificing Himself and shedding His sinless blood on the cross.”

How does his shedding his blood pay for mankind”s “sins”?
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"Jesus died for our sins" is a phrase meaning that all sins have a penalty. We see the same thing in the justice sytems of nations, for every crime, there is a penalty. When the penalty is paid, we say that justice has been served, which is a good thing.

Our sins are really rebellion against God, and they carry a weighty penalty. The penalty is death, not just physical, but spiritual as well. In physical death, our bodies are separated from our souls and spirits. In spiritual death, we are separated from God.

Jesus died for our sins in that He paid the penalty for our sins. This does not mean we stop sinning. What it does mean is that the penalty incurred by our sins is satisfied by the payment made by Jesus Himself.

Here is an illustration to help your understanding, let us say you committed a crime and the penalty for that crime was $1,000,000, you could not pay it.
However, if you happen to be the son of a multi-billion dollar Texas oilman, he could pay the penalty on your behalf. The penalty is still paid. The victim is still restored. The cost is still real. Yet because of the generosity and sacrifice of your father, you are not bound to pay the penalty.

So, Jesus died for our sins and paid the penalty for them out of His love and generosity, allowing us to avoid paying the penalty ourselves if we accept His payment.

 

I know my English is terrible and in spite of that fact I am able to understand your bad English it is unfortunate that you can not see your own bad English, maybe that is the reason why while I understand my English is bad you refuse to see to accept yours is as bad that is why you can not understand facts and kept on contradicting yourself.

And I am asking you you think humans do not have a soul?
Do you really believe that other creatures have the same intelligence as humans?
What is it that you can not see the distinction between human and other creatures intelligence?

I know what you are talking about but you don't know what you are talking about again Do you really believe that other creatures have the same intelligence as humans?
What is it that you can not see the distinction between human and other creatures intelligence?

They found the God-particle using mathematical equations not visual contact. Show me a God-particle or Higgs-boson I doubt that you will be able to produce one.

Brain activities that indicates the existence of a human soul a soul that is different and unique from all other creatures.

I call your evolution a science fiction just like you call Christianity a myth. (did you ever claim Christianity is a myth? I think you did)

And what is the material world, is the Great Ape an existing part of the material world or a creation of some scientist that is base on their own immaterial imagination?

So now you have ethical code of honor? What is so unethical when it comes to science?

Does that makes them humanly intelligent because they can live in space? What if we put them in a volcano will they survive? You tell me since you do not believe in human soul or human intelligence.

Evolution work base on establish discover facts that goes hand in hand with God's revelation to us through the Holy Bible. See it is that short and simple I bet your popcorn has not yet popped.

That is why your understanding of evolution is science fiction Planet of the Apes starring Charleston Heston as the human and Roddy McDowall as the ape-man

See you don't know how to distinguish science fiction from scientific facts.

I just answer your question with a question but since you refuse to answer it and want an answer that is not a question here is your answer you are a LIAR.

Well there you go with your bad English trying to distort facts remember I said HUMAN SOULS this mean all humans including babies, infants and adults.
And I guess you are implying because some people are not as intelligent as others they are to be regulated or downgraded to the ape category please clarify?

God-particle has been reported to be the building block of all things this mean simply we all came from that God-particle not from a Great Ape. Now we know there is no Great Ape.

Simple, it wasn't Higgs who discover the particle it were some other scientist working with him using his initial studies but most of all it was the Giant Collider that discover the particle with out the Collider no particle. Now you understand how God work?

Are dogs humans?

Better stop lying then.

 

Faith is on the God part just like science, people are ready to believe the existence of the Higgs-boson even though they donot see it, touch it, feel it or know anything about it as long as it is reported by scientist. "Blesses are those who believe and not seen" does it sound familiar?

Those people lives and events will change dramatically because of Jesus Christ it is that reality and the fact that history does recognize a man name Jesus of Nazareth did existed, was crucified and eventually change the whole history of the Roman empire and of that region and the coming of Jesus Christ were all base on what is written in the Bible the places are real, the people are real and the events are real because Jesus Christ is for real

 

Gee that must have been a post that I overlooked. I do get an awful lot of responses that I have to respond to. Now Which specific question were you talking about in that post of your?

Now you expect me to respond to a post that was deleted by the moderators for allegedly 'insulting' you? How truly disingenuous of you and how deliberate of you in your flamebaiting.

 

Quote Posted by OhZone on pg. 62 #616 of Part 3

Who exactly is the Payee? And why does this Payee ask for Blood?
And What “sins” are you talking about?
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1. Almighty God The Creator of the universe and all existence

2. Because the wages of sin is death. Surely what else could pay for our sins...money? That would be ridiculous. It was a one time payment that paid for all sins of mankind. God is so just that He never demands two payments for one debt. Jesus paid your sin debt on the Cross...all of it. Therefore, when you accept Christ, you do not have that sin debt to pay.

3. All sins (see the Ten Commandments- Exodus Chapter 20 & the forbidden sexual practices-Leviticus Chapter1

 

Correction: Leviticus 18

 

Quote Posted by Flintc on pg. 62 #619 of Part 3 in response to my post

Just imagine if every person in the world decided to obey God's laws on a particular day, there would be no evil committed at all and the whole world would be free of evil but of course it won't last long because the very next day evil will erupt again because of man's sinful nature. (Posted by Mitt Ryan)

The problem here is, "evil" is operationally defined as "behavior in YOUR self-interest, but against MY self-interest." And of course self-interests are always in competition. Life isn't quite a zero-sum game, but as a rule of thumb just about anything that hurts anyone helps someone else. So the only way to eliminate all evil in the world for one day would be to put everyone into suspended animation for that day. Otherwise, whosoever eats food, is depriving someone more needy of that selfsame food, and is therefore EVIL. Whoever holds a job is displacing someone else who needs that job. No wind is so ill that it blows nobody good. (Posted by flintc in response to my post above)
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What?...suspended animation?...really...lol I know what I have posted is pretty much unrealistic given the fact that there are approx. 7 billion people world-wide but what you have posted takes the cake!...lol

It is not evil for anyone to eat while knowing there are lots of needy hungry people out there. That is why we give to charities to help the needy.

It is also not evil to hold a job while there are many others without a job. That is why we have employment agencies to help people find jobs.

 

Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 62 #620 of Part 3

Just for the record, if the goal of this thread was to make more people have faith in your religion you guys are having the exact opposite effect.
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No, that wasn't the goal at all. If you had read the very 1st post I made on this thread you would have known that it wasn't my goal for I specifically said,

"Part 3 a continuation of Post your tough questions pertaining to God/Jesus/Holy Bible and I will do my best to clarify and make sense of it to those who are unaware...I still have questions unanswered in Part 1 & 2, the moderators locked up Part 1 & 2 due to having over 700 posts.

I don't want my intentions to come across as converting you or whatever lol... but rather clear up things etc... so ask away."

The thing is you got to find the Lord on your own, you can't expect me or anyone else such as my friend WanRen to find Him for you. I'm here to answer questions if you have them concerning the faith and like I said in my opening post I'm not here to convert anyone.

 

Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 62 #620 of Part 3 in response to WanRen's post

Finally, you accept and acknowledge that men are not apes! By going back to your schooling that humans did not evolve from apes! And your strawman to say that I am the one who claim that human evolve from apes!!! wow now you see and your buddies are so confuse and here is another evidence as how confuse you are: you acknowledge humans did not evolve from apes and yet you believe in the evolution that men evolve from apes???? are you going around in cirlce??

I will proof that I am a good Christian by not insisting you do the Tarzan "AHAAAA...AHAAAA" I forgive you I know that you are just misinformed and forgot your school teacher taught you that humans are not apes and you don't have to thanks me for presenting the scientific chart that clearly show that humans are a species of their own and apes are a species of their own totally separated from human, you are welcome. (Posted by WanRen)


You just made a strawman argument from your own strawman argument. LOL you are the very first person I have ever seen that has ever pulled this off.
I never said Man evolved directly from Apes. (Post by AlphaOmega in response to WanRen's post above)
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So if you now claim that man has not evolved directly from apes, are you now claiming we evolved indirectly from apes? How is that done? How do humans evolve indirectly from apes?

Your ape buddy friend GraspingforPeace has claimed humans are apes, he is quoted saying, "We are apes so it doesn't really make sense to say that we evolved from apes. Akhlut is correct in saying that we evolved from apes, just not modern apes."

And you have been quoted "we evolved from apes, just not modern apes."

I see confusion coming from both of you. GraspingforPeace contradicts himself and now you are claiming humans evolved indirectly from apes.

Give me a report when yall get it together...ok?...lol (that day will never come)

 

My God (pun intended), you seem confused or worse.

We could not have possibly evolved from Apes, as Apes did not exist before we decided to call them that. There were obviously a series of creatures that existed before the current series of creatures (Evolution in a nutshell), but they were definitely not Apes. Whatever these things were, little mammals that borrowed underground or big ones hunting for fruit in trees....they were not Apes, as the Apes we see evolved as we did.

Your lack of understanding of very basic evolutionary biology makes anything you wish to contribute rather worthless toward further education.


Basically....you suck at this.

 

Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 62 #620 of Part 3

As with every religious person I have ever met, it starts off ok, but then as you ask more and more questions they become angry.
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Do non-religious people not show any anger? But you know I wouldn't say everyone is like that.

So how many religious people have you ever met?...perhaps a handfull, that is not a good sample to judge that everyone else must be like that. I mean isn't it true that non-religious people want to stay as far away from religious people?...lol

 

Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 62 #620 of Part 3

P.S. - God if you are real, please make the OP provide the specific scientific findings proving Hawkins corrupted science, and please make Wan Ren stop making strawman arguments. Please make me a believer.
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Lol...too funny! A non-believer praying to God, praying to a God, who in the non-believer's mind doesn't exist.

If you don't believe in Him, He is not going to answer your prayers. You must have faith in Him first, that's how it works.

 

Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 62 #620 of Part 3

Usually History has shown us Christians would burn, drown or crush people to death if they disagree with you. For example, how great is it that Christians teach, "thou shalt not kill", yet they fail to mention if you dont agree with them.....they will kill you. Its the ultimate hypocrisy.
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Hasn't history also shown us that non-religious people would burn, drown or crush people to death if they disagree with you? (See Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler for reference)

Hypocrisy is everywhere for we are all sinners (religious and the non- religious)

Here is a fact that you might not have known

Fact: All people are sinners which includes religious and non-religious people (excluding babies and children who are not of cupable/accountable age)

 

I see. You have to believe he exists, or else he doesn't.
That is probably the best answer you've given.

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hmmm, what age does God hold one culpable? Is it the same age for every human in the world?

 

OMG!!!

TRY....PLEASE TRY.....to allow this to sink into your brain!!!

Gorillas, Chimps, Human's, Bonobos and Orangutans....which are all Hominidae....which are a a division or family of APES!!!

There is NO WAY for you to argue this as saying Humans are Apes is akin to saying Humans and Gorillas are PRIMATES.

AboveAlpha....try to admit the truth and facts.

AboveAlpha