~ MOD ALERT ~ Obama Just Gave Amnesty to Illegal Aliens

Well it would at least be accurate and demonstrate a command of history.

 

Interesting article

http://nation.time.com/2012/04/06/non-citizens-make-better-u-s-soldiers/

In the wake of 9/11, President Bush signed an executive order that allows legal aliens to enlist and become eligible for citizenship after one day of honorable service in the military (it used to be three years). That means that most of them become citizens before they even leave basic training.

The report, along with the CNA study, suggest the military is getting a bargain when non-citizens enlist: they are much more likely to complete their initial hitch, usually three or four years, than native-born Americans. Only 4% of non-citizens drop out of the military within three months, half the rate of citizens, the CNA report found. By the four-year mark, one in three citizen recruits has bailed, compared to one in five non-citizens. Every soldier, sailor, airman or Marine who leaves early has to be replaced, with all the additional training and outfitting that requires.

Read more: Non-Citizens Make Better U.S. Soldiers* | TIME.com http://nation.time.com/2012/04/06/non-citizens-make-better-u-s-soldiers/#ixzz2l1KCnt4Z

 

They can not and will NOT be deported for the initial crime of entering the country illegally Ron. That is what amnesty is. It has nothing to do with deporting them if they have committed other crimes. Even Reagan's amnesty bill had similar wording and it was in fact called an amnesty bill. They are given amnesty UNLESS they have committed other crimes. Similar to if my wife gives a witness immunity in a crime, that immunity is invalid (usually) if that person goes and commits another crime. Meaning if you are for instance, given amnesty from robbing a liquor store , say in return for testifying against your accomplices, and then later you commit another crime, your immunity could go bye bye.

 

So now you want to attack servicemen/women's families. I thought the right was big on helping the Armed Forces?

 

you're defining "amnesty".

it used to mean yuo can stay in the country and NOT be deported for being here illegally.

now, you've changed it to mean "forgiven for entering the country illegally".

these people do not have amnesty, as they can all still be deported.

ALL PRs can be deported.

 

So you got it. They attacked Pearl Harbor. The Japs, that is. Happy now ?

Remember ? How can we forget, >>>MOD EDIT: INSULT<<

 

Enough already, Mr. Echo!

1. I am a volunteer who helps servicemen/women's families at the VA hospital, and am a disabled veteran myself.

2. I am not "the right".

 

NO YOU CAN'T, because that's exactly what he has done, and we all know it. ALL illegal aliens need to be deported. ALL 11 million, or however many it is.

 

You're playing word games.

These people are being given amnesty from prosecution for laws involving coming to this country illegally and they are being given a path to becoming legal. That is amnesty. PERIOD.

Now it's a very limited amnesty in as far as who is covered, but amnesty it is nonetheless.

By the way , to those complaining about this, do yall realize that this time Obama is actually perfectly within his powers? He has the power to pardon anyone he likes for any reason he likes. Says so right in the COTUS, you know the document that protects your right to own guns?

 

Are they terkin' yer jerbs?

 

there is no such thing as 1/2 amnesty or 1/4 amnesty.

Amnesty means Amnesty.

It means if you are here illegally, you can stay. All immigration violations are forgiven.

You can't be deported.

These people, ALL of them, can still be deported. Hence they have not been given amnesty. They haven't even been given a guaruntee of Permanent Resident status.

This isn't rocket science, folks.

 

Anything less than full deportation is amnesty. Including this scam about military relatives.

 

That is NOT what amnesty is.

Shedding aside the rhetoric, amnesty for illegal immigrants refers to allowing illegal immigrants to remain in the United States.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5085706_amnesty-illegal-immigrants.html

Amnesty (from the Greek &#7936;&#956;&#957;&#951;&#963;&#964;&#943;&#945; amnestia (Amnesty, Wm Chrichton &#924;&#949;&#947;&#945; &#917;&#955;&#955;&#951;&#957;&#959;-&#913;&#947;&#947;&#955;&#953;&#954;&#959;&#957; &#923;&#949;&#958;&#953;&#954;&#959;&#957; 1960) is defined as: "A pardon extended by the government to a group or class of persons, usually for a political offense; the act of a sovereign power officially forgiving certain classes of persons who are subject to trial but have not yet been convicted"

In fact, here in the US we have a DIRECT historical comparison to prove you are wrong.

After the Civil War, President Andrew Johnson gave a general amnesty to confederate soldiers, BUT there were a few who committed other crimes during the war and thus the amnesty was not extended to them. That doesn't mean that was Johnson did wasn't amnesty, it means those people were not qualified to receive it. Same (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thing here, this is AMNESTY, but not everyone will qualify.

You're correct, it isn't rocket science, so I'm not sure why you keep getting it wrong.

 

Well that would be a lie of course. Since several of us have pointed out that it is not amnesty.

 

But you're wrong Jeff, it IS amnesty. What it isn't is a GENERAL amnesty that applies to everyone. But it's still amnesty. These folks will be allowed to stay here even though they are technically still illegal. That is the very definition of amnesty.

 

WRONG!

they all still can be deported.

that's not amnesty.

 

Here is what Pro said
NO YOU CAN'T, because that's exactly what he has done, and we all know it.

As I said- several of us have disagreed with you and with Pro on this- so claiming that 'we all know it' is just a lie- not just false- but since he knows that both myself and Ron disagree, it is a knowingly false claim-i.e. a lie.

 

there's no such thing as "partial-amnesty" or "semi-amnesty".

either you have received amnesty from deportation, or you haven't.

 

You're wrong and its been proven. Amnesty is being offered . Some won't qualify. That doesn't mean amnesty hasn't been offered.

Truly disappointing that you either don't understand that point or don't care

 

wrong.

amnesty means they will NOT be deported.

no such thing has been offered to these people.

 

I learned that it was the Japanese.

 

But libertarians are from the right. i know that there was one libertarian who tried to run as a Democrat but I do not know of one in Congress today. Or running as a Green Party candidate.

 

that's your definition, and its wrong.

 

I am anti-amnesty.....and not a big fan of Obummer, but I have no problem with this. If you are married to someone who may be serving in our military in Afghanistan with the potential of getting his/her head blown off........ Then I don't think you need to be worried about being deported. It's not like there are 20 million of these folks out there.....it's a pretty small group

 

The problem is that the ones you're referring to "serving in Afganistan" are not. Many of these weasels know how to use the system. They sign up for service just to get collage funds and get citizenship. They don't end up on the front lines. They are dishwashers, painters and such.