Part 9 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    I wish religious folks would talk religion more to each other, but it never seems to happen here.
    I suspect when 2 religious folks talk what they believe, they get upset don't bother. I've seen it a couple times. But it's been a while.
     
  2. Incorporeal

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    Probably because there is too much interference by the non-believers.

    Getting ones feathers in a ruffle is just human nature.. it is a common thing to all people, religious or not.

    I also would love to see it more often, but usually it is dogmatic disputes as opposed to spiritual sharing.
     
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    Yes! Your reading comprehension is suspicious.



    Not even close to an accurate analogy.


    Then it is speaking about a living organism.
     
  4. Mitt Ryan

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    No, actually all would not be in error. One reason we should take the Bible literally is because the Lord Jesus Christ took it literally.

    Whenever the Lord Jesus quoted from the Old Testament, it was always clear that He believed in its literal interpretation.

    As an example, when Jesus was tempted by Satan in Luke 4, He answered by quoting the Old Testament.

    If God’s commands in Deuteronomy 8:3, 6:3, and 6:16 were not literal, Jesus would not have used them and they would have been powerless to stop Satan’s mouth, which they certainly did.
     
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    Seriously, are you able to use arguments that aren't basically reiterations of what I said about your argument? I directly told you that I wasn't making a specific argument, and then you argue against the argument I told you I wasn't making in the very next post.

    How is it not accurate?

    What is? Biological half-lives deal with half-lives of substances inside of organisms, but the conversation was never about biological half-lives.
     
  6. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Well it's obviously clear in the context that WR is using it, it means a natural group or division, for example the rodent kind, the ape kind, or the human kind.
     
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    I've never heard it called that before :p
     
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    Have you ever asked yourself who quoted Jesus' conversation with Satan?
     
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    There are no natural groups of division. Our taxonomic systems are completely dependent on humans defining where the division is.
     
  10. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Clearly it's rather obvious that you don't really know or understand fully our Dear Beloved Lord. If you read the Holy Bible in its entirety and do some research if you don't understand certain passages, because those will certainly come up as you read, then you will come away with a totally different attitude towards our Dear Beloved Lord.

    You will see Him in a new light as being an ever so loving, caring, fair, just, righteous, all powerful, all knowing God but also a God of wrath when He has to deal with disobedient, sinful, evil, wicked people, and so He punishes them and rightfully so and deservedly so!
     
  11. Incorporeal

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    Well, would spiritual communion suit you better?
    "com·mun·ion (k-mynyn)
    n.
    1. The act or an instance of sharing, as of thoughts or feelings.
    2. Religious or spiritual fellowship.
    3. A body of Christians with a common religious faith who practice the same rites; a denomination."
     
  12. dairyair

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    How did I become the poster of the above?
     
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    Must be a glitch in the quote function. I have noticed several times that differing posters and associated comments appear mixed within the same post. Other than that, I have no idea. If it was an error on my part, then I will apologize.
     
  14. Mitt Ryan

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    Well suppose you were living in a place that had no laws, people were living in anarchy and you lived there with your family. You have a 10 yr. old son who is in love with this 40 yr. old man, who also happens to be in love with your 10 yr. old son.

    They want to get married. The 40 yr old man ask your permission to marry your son. So you being a new age philosophy guy, you would allow this marriage because you are going to be mindful of your own advice and just ""butt out of other people's business and mind" your own...right? You will absolutely see nothing wrong with this... right?
     
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    once again, for those of us having trouble finding your responses to this request: explain sweden.

    in the meantime, perhaps you'd like to explain why the sort of sickness you refer to is so often found in in xian cults. I'll make a cup of tea and wait for your response :)
     
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    The kind and loving god that killed 27,000 people with the plague because one man snuck a prostitute into camp. The kind and loving god that demanded that the Israelites kill all the heretics pregnant women so that they wouldn't give birth to infidels who would want revenge for their fathers deaths someday. The kind and loving god that gave the Israelites permission to take the infidels virgin women as their wives after killing all their friends and families. Imagine how those women must be suffering being the wives of those who killed their fathers and their brothers. I've read the damn bible.
     
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    [video=youtube;3xwZt8ypufE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xwZt8ypufE[/video]
     
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    Ashurnasirpal II succeeded his father, Tukulti-Ninurta II, in 883 BC. During his reign he embarked on a vast program of expansion, first conquering the peoples to the north in Asia Minor as far as Nairi and exacting tribute from Phrygia, then invading Aram (modern Syria) conquering the Aramaeans and neo Hittites between the Khabur and the Euphrates Rivers. His harshness prompted a revolt that he crushed decisively in a pitched, two-day battle. According to his monument inscription while recalling this massacre he says "their men young and old I took prisoners. Of some I cut off their feet and hands; of others I cut off the ears noses and lips; of the young men's ears I made a heap; of the old men's heads I made a minaret. I exposed their heads as a trophy in front of their city. The male children and the female children I burned in flames; the city I destroyed, and consumed with fire." Following this victory, he advanced without opposition as far as the Mediterranean and exacted tribute from Phoenicia. On his return home he moved his capital to the city of Kalhu (Nimrud).

    This was the age of violence and terror. If you've read the Bible you should know that not everything you read is true, not everything you read actually happened, and that much is exaggerated.
    The Jews put all the events that happened to them down to their 'god'. As did many other nations of the time.

    IF 27000 people died it was because the woman brought the plague with her - or it co-incided with her appearance.
    If you think about it killing all your enemy does save any future problems. For us in the 21st century it is barbaric. Still, if in the War of Independence
    Britain had killed all 'Americans' we would not have.. erm .. never mind: wink:
    Regarding the virgins. I agree that they would have been suffering, but bearing in mind that these would have been girls probably up to 18 years old, to leave them alone would also have meant suffering as they would have been left to fend for themselves. At least they would now have a home.
    That's not to condone the practise.
    It also meant that an introverted tribe like Israel could have new blood infused into the tribe.

    What really interests me is what Islam will do when we finally prove that the OT events involving some of the Patriarchs etc are just allegories or 'parables'. They place much store on these being true.

    Noah is praised by God in the Qur'an, which shows his great status amongst the prophets. In sura 17 (Al-Isra), ayah 3, God states: "Verily he was a devotee most grateful."
    Abraham encountered several miracles of God during his lifetime. The Quran records a few main miracles, although different interpretations have been attributed to the passages. Some of the miracles recorded in the Quran are:

    Abraham was shown the kingdom of the Heavens and the Earth.[13]
    Abraham and the miracle of the birds.[14]
    Abraham was thrown into a fire, which became "cool" and "peaceful" for him.

    What if neither actually existed?
     
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    Really? What a stretch you imply. Wow.
     
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    Silly.
    Children can't give informed consent. My child IS my business until reaching their majority.
    This argument has been a humiliation for every person who has advanced it. It immediately undermines your credibility.
     
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    Wow, I have to check this movie out. That's a very powerful scene.
     
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    What is the legal age in the bible? Probably not 10, but I'm sure before 18.
    And it would not surprise me if 10yr olds married back in those days.
     
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    Then you're saying the bible is full of lies. because it clearly states that God was visiting Moses and became angry because one of the people there brought in a prostitute and went and killed 27,000 people with the plague until Moses and other religious leaders appeased him with incense.

    So your saying that is all a lie. That the bible is full of lies.
     
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    I swear I don't remember that Bible story.
     
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    I'm saying that the Bible is a mixture of truth, error and myth, fact, fiction and fables. We know that some of it is factual, we know that some is not.
    Fact. Several of the battles mentioned in the OT involving the Jews are also recorded by their enemies on tablets, monuments and Temple/palace walls found by Archaeologists.
    Fiction. When Joshua was supposed to have destroyed Ai (Et-tell) it had already been in ruins for a millenia.
    Error. Luke's timing of Jesus Birth. Also Luke's account of Paul's actions after his conversion.
    Truth. Paul's correction of Luke's account.
     
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