Nelson Mandela has passed away>>>MOD WARNING<<<

collaborationists?
coloured or black?

anyway NM is a great American myth. they gave black Americans NM´s Films, books, talk shows ,etc. everything except political-economical power . i bet everyone here and in USA think that SA has been only one apartheid state in the world

 

Apparently Obama has made the grave sin of expressing the sentiment of most of the world....

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David Cameron &#10004; [MENTION=2909]David[/MENTION]_Cameron
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A great light has gone out in the world. Nelson Mandela was a hero of our time. I've asked for the flag at No10 to be flown at half mast.

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All of Canada mourns with the family of Nelson Mandela and the citizens of South Africa. The world has lost one of its great moral leaders.

"Nelson Mandela was a giant for justice and a down-to-earth human inspiration. Many around the world were greatly influenced by his selfless struggle for human dignity, equality and freedom. He touched our lives in deeply personal ways. At the same time, no-one did more in our time to advance the values and aspirations of the United Nations. Nelson Mandela showed what is possible for our world and within each one of us - if we believe, dream and work together for justice and humanity." -- Ban Ki-moon

"President Mandela was one of the great forces for freedom and equality of our time. He bore his burdens with dignity and grace, and our world is better off because of his example. This great man will be missed, but his contributions will live on forever." -- George W. Bush

"The death of President Nelson Mandela was announced in memorable words by president Zuma. South Africa has lost its greatest citizen and its father. Nelson Mandela, fighting to the end, is freed to be with his God in joy and reward for his great service and sacrifice. We pray for his family, for his friends and for his country. We are challenged to show the same degree of humanity, of courage and of generosity." -- The Archbishop of Canterbury

Mandela was "the biggest personality of the 20th century. Mandela conducted with passion and intelligence one of the most important processes of human emancipation in contemporary history - the end of Apartheid in South Africa."

-- Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff

Mandela was "one of the most honorable figures of our time ... a man of vision, a freedom fighter who rejected violence."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

 

Not really. It's just the man is so insincere, everything he says has to be taken with a healthy doze of cynicism.

 

As far as I can tell, they have not addressed any of that--they just changed the player.

Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., Ghandi, Margaret Thatcher, Mikhail Gorbachev take your pick of people who actually did something under difficult situations. Mandela changed nothing

 

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You are wrong. . .but you have that right!

 

Mandela was a symbol for his people and for those around the world who value equality. It was not so much as what he did, although he performed a minor political miracle in keeping a lid on things when apartheid collapsed. Mandela as a man changed a few things. As a symbol he changed the lives of tens of millions.

 

Well that is a fair argument. I don't have to agree with someone to recognize their greatness, but I do expect them to have actually done something significant whether I agree with it or not. I just don't get the hoopla over Mandela because IMO he did virtually nothing. He was a black guy who sat in a jail cell and got elected--well so did Marion Berry. To me, Mandela is just a media creation.

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You are not right and you have that right too.

 

Mandela is one of the most overvalue people in the history.

The apartheid era's end was due:
1) end of cold war
2) south african defeat in Zambia by the angolo-cuban army
3) financial difficulties due international sanction (and end of American under the counter aid)
4) a white jew, joe slovo, commander of the Umkhonto We Sizwe (the ANC's armed wing)

Mandela was only in a jail to do the ANC's poster boy for the world. Whitout him the international press just used an other poster boy.
Afther the '94 his governaments have been terrible, SA falled in nearly every economic and social rating, corruption and violence skyrocket, more then 1/5 of white folks emigrated oversea. He called in his governaments people like thabo mbeki, the responsable of SA's AIDS epidemic.

 

But he did way more than just sitting in a jail cell. In fact he was mostly a incommunicado symbol for those decades, but once he was released he became a very great man. Thru the force of his character and an vision of an inclusive South Africa he led as deeply a divided nation as is possible to have into a new era of freedom and equality (or at least the opportunities for same).

That ain't nothing to sneeze at by a long shot.

 

The world is a lesser place without Nelson Mandela. Let those who are scared by justice vilify a man who cannot fight back - they are diminished by their actions, his memory and legacy are not.

 

The world was a much , much better place when he was incarcerated.

 

Courage, dedication, compassion, intelligence . . . he had it all. Nobody can deny that through example he definitely help end apartheid, and by doing that he made the world a better place.

 

Really? Ending Apartheit made the world a better place? That is like saying that the death of Saddam made Iraq a better place. lmfaoo

 

Oh, here it comes! THE RACE CARD! Can't you guys ever find something genuinely and universally admirable about your idols than their RACE?!

I've never sugar-coated it, and now, especially after the truth of Obamacare is out in the open where no one can deny it, we all see your President Transparency for what he is. Barack Obama is a despicable, devious, bald-faced LIAR and manipulating autocrat, and I despise him primarily for those reasons, none of which has anything to do with race.... You guys have tried so hard to paper-over every fault and frailty of your President Messiah with your tattered old race cards until they are so threadbare that they lack any substance at all. Call me a racist? To tell you the truth, I don't even give a **** anymore, even though I've never been a racist in my life.

Mandela? "One of the greatest world leaders"? Read something about the man's HISTORY, including his years as a Communist criminal, murderer, and terrorist, and then come back here telling us how great he really was, based on what he DID before somebody decided he was "great" merely because he was Black....

 

Doesn't take much to prevent people with no money and no weapons from rising up against people who have plenty of both. There is no freedom or opportunity for people still living in abject poverty, orphans, and people cheated out of their land as soon as they have an interest in land again. There is no freedom or opportunity when one is dying from AIDS with no treatment. There is no freedom in a country with one of the highest crime rates in the world. Don't kid yourself. South Africa is still a miserable place to be if one is black. More is done to help the poor blacks try to avail themselves of their rights and have livable conditions by NGO's and Missionaries than by the government.

 

Absolutely spot on.

What's very interesting is that even conservatives are mourning his passing. Were they upset over Che Guevara or other violent Marxist revolutionaries/terrorists? What makes Mandela so different?

 

So it was an ends justify the means, kind of thing? We can call his terrorist activities "compassion" because it led to an outcome that you like?

 

Please illustrate how the world was a better place with apartheid, since that seems to be your implication.

 

It was better for the thousands of slaughtered white farmers in the country.

 

Please provide a source for your assertion, and compare it to blacks slaughtered during apartheid.

BTW, why does it matter that the farmers were white? Would it have been less of a tragedy if they had been black...?
I suppose that would explain why you think that their deaths were more tragic than the deaths of those under a tyranical racist system...

Do you believe that "seperate and inequal" would work here, since you're such a fan of apartheid?

 

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267463

Why do I need to do that? I can't be concerned over white farmers being brutally slaughtered in racial attacks because more blacks were killed during apartheid? And how many of those apartheid murders were due to Mandela's terrorist linked ANC government, by the way?

So it's OK to be upset about blacks being murdered by whites, but not the other way around? Is that your argument?

 

My condolences to the people of South Africa. He was a great man.

 

What a crock!
It's "OK" to be "upset" by ANY unnecessary loss of human life, but you're choosing to only concern yourself with deaths of people who are white, while advocating a system that killed blacks.
That is NOT "OK".

"Terrorist" as defined by who?

 

I see clearly that you believe that what whites did to blacks in South Africa during apartheid was wrong. When I say I think it's wrong that white farmers are being targeted and killed, often in brutal ways, by blacks - suddenly I shouldn't be making a distinction about who is killing who. It's just people killing people.

By anyone who thinks necklacing is wrong. Unless you care to defend their torturous ways of killing people?