Part 10 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

I was unclear. Yes, it is the primordial seaturtle of the primordial waters of the universe. To make it all fit with modern cosmology, though, those primordial waters have to represent space itself.

 

Yep, you nailed that one. If you believe hard enough, santa claus still exists.

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Go back to your own muddled up crappy thread about the flood and leave this one alone.

 

Are you sure? TY for a christian finally admitting what I've seen many say. God hates, and then will kill because of said hate.

 

Yes, God hates sin...didn't you know this? It would not make sense if God loves sin and then He punishes people for the sins they commit...now would it?

He does not hate people but sin is what He hates and He punishes people for their sins...you get it now?...geesh and I thought you already knew...see when you come to my thread you learn things you didn't know before...lol

 

Yep, the same old dairyair, still has the problem of not comprehending what he reads correctly...lol

Then after I lead him on the right track he learns from his mistakes...lol...good boy!...lol

 

What?? God can hate?
And God doesn't hate the sinner, just the sin, but punishes the sinner. Hmmm. And for eternity, with no way of retribution. For eternity. Sounds like more than hating the sin.

Do you get it now. LOL. Probably not.
He punishes people. Why not punish the sin?
Nope, I still haven't learned a damn thing.

 

Yep, He hates sin, not people. He loves everyone...didn't you know that?...sheesh! and you claimed to be a former Christian...you probably were sleeping during service...eh?...lol

 

Former? I've never claimed former.
Hate sin, punish sinner. Got it. But HATE. Got it.

 

Got it. I love you. You did something I don't love. But I still love YOU. But you still have to be punished for the act, even though I love you. And oh, BTW, forever and ever. And you can't get out of that punishment. But I LOVE you. Sorry I have to PUNISH you in an eternal torment for all of ETERNITY, but I still LOVE you.

Any more snobbish comments you'd like to throw out?

 

That's why someday He will punish you for your sins if you never repent your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord Savior.

You got that...right? As long as you got that then you understand you have only yourself to blame when you find yourself in hell someday.

 

He? Where do you get God is a he. Create US in OUR image. No He in the statement.
He punishes the sinner, cuz he hate the sin. Why do I have to blame myself? Can anyone not ever sin? So God hates things every human does, cuz we all sin, but punishes all forever for doing an act that we can't avoid.

BTW - hell as you 'believe' it, doesn't exist.
Tell that to your pastor/father, what ever you call your preacher.

 

We Christians understand God's morality and everything He did during the OT times were morally right. It is people like you (non-believers) who have a hard time understanding it. It's because you haven't read the bible and so you have no clue as to what God is all about.

God sees the whole picture, He is omniscient and so everything He does is just and fair. Since Jesus, there was a new covenant established and the old ways were obsolete.

Jesus said in Luke 22:20 NAS: "This cup which is poured out for you in the new covenant in My blood."

This new covenant was prophesied in the Old Testament in Jer. 31:31 NAS: "Behold, days are coming," declared the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah." It is referenced in 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Heb. 8:8, 9:15 and 12:24.

Of particular importance is Heb. 8:13 which says, "When He said, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." And also Heb. 12:24 NLT which says, "You have come to Jesus, the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks of forgiveness instead of crying out for the vengeance like the blood of Abel."

The Old Covenant with its harsh judicial judgments is no longer in effect because we are under a New Covenant. So God does not directly command anyone in today's world as He did with the Israelites during the OT days.

And so we Christians can say that the actions of Islamic suicide bombers are indeed immoral. We know they are not getting direct commands from God.

These suicide bombers are extremists. Their god is not the same God as we Christians. Their god is a false god, we Christians have the one true God, the Triune God, The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit.

 

Again these suicide bombers are extremists. Most Muslims do not advocate with what these extremists are doing. And there is a way to resolve their issues, the Muslim leaders need to speak out and reject these extremists.

American Muslims do not behave like these terrorists, they are peaceful law abiding American citizens. Have you heard of any of them as a group acting out criminally in the United States?

God created humans with free will. If He didn't do that we would have to do His will, in other words we would all be His puppets.

How could God love puppets? and so He gave us free will to choose to do what is righteous or what is unrighteous, to believe in Him, to love Him, to not believe in Him, to not love Him.

He gave us the Holy Bible which is our instructional book. He gave us commandments to follow, moral laws if you will.

There can only be objective moral values with God.

When we state that objective moral values exist, what we mean is that there are moral values that govern all humans, regardless of whether or not those humans want those values to govern them, like those values, or accept those values.

If moral values were the result of popular vote, then they would only govern humans because humans had decided to allow them to govern them. Then moral values would not be objective, but rather, subjective.

However, moral values are not subjective in this sense, in the sense that they are the complete invention of the minds of those they govern. If they were subjective in this sense, Hitler's Germany would be no less moral than any other society, and this is not the case.

Thus, moral values are not subjective in this sense. Instead, they are objective in the sense that they govern all humans, at all times, regardless of those individuals' approvals.

If God did not exist, there would not only be no concept of "ought", there would also be no one around to conceptualize it.

Since there is a God, there is a Higher Moral Authority, and therefore there are things we "ought" to do. One of the first and foremost of these things is that we ought to obey our God.

Thus, moral values that govern humans stem from the existence of, and perfect qualities of, our Creator, who is an eternally objective reality. They do not come from the whimsical fancies of a transient consciousness.

 

I know a great deal about the Teachings of Jesus and what you have said here IS NOT something Jesus would condone.

Jesus specifically said..."It is not important that you believe in me....just believe in what I teach or do."

Jesus was NOT about telling other people what they should or should not believe specific to any religious dogma or ideology...Jesus was about LOVE and TOLERANCE of others and other peoples beliefs and ideals as the ONLY thing Jesus considered important was for a person to love another...and be forgiving...and generous in times of need.

Jesus also realized that Hard Core Evangelism was NOT conductive to spreading the word as Jesus felt that the BEST WAY to spread the word was to LIVE THE WORD.

You dishonor his memory.

AboveAlpha

 

There is no where in Scripture where Jesus makes that statement...specifically as you stated. When quoting anything from the Bible you should have a reference for it, not just make it up by paraphrasing or whatever else you're doing. Let me give you an example of one quote from Jesus and notice I will enter where it came from in Scripture.

Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."---John 14:6 NIV

That quote came from the Book of John, Chapter 14, verse 6 from the New International Version Bible.

So that quote I gave is no where consistent with yours. You have to believe in Him, but in your quote you are saying that He said it is not important to believe in Him.

The reason it is not consistent is because your quote is wrong, Jesus never said that. Sorry but you can't be putting words in Jesus mouth that He hasn't spoken....that is what you call dishonoring Him!

 

Here you go.

Look at What I Do! - John 10:37-38
"If I don't do what my Father does, then don't believe what I say. But if I do the same things my Father does, then you should believe in the things I do. You might not believe in me, but you should believe in the things I do. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father."

AboveAlpha

 

You know Mitt...you get to hung up on what the exact words might be rather than concentrating upon the meaning.

AboveAlpha

 

Yeah but the way you paraphrased it is not right. Obviously you are misinterpreting what He is actually saying by the statement you gave. Jesus is not telling us that it is not important to believe in Him. Next time don't put it in your own words, quote directly from Scripture that way you will have no errors.

 

Just like the meaning of every post you make is that you have no idea what you are talking about? I see what you mean. Why get hung up on the actual words when the meaning is right there?.....lolz!

 

What I have posted does not show Jesus to be telling ANYONE that they MUST believe in him....and Jesus SPECIFICALLY STATES...You might not believe in me, but you should believe in the things I do.

What I originally posted holds the same meaning.

AboveAlpha

 

My point is that it is the MEANING of what Jesus conveys that is important...not whether or not someone can quote it word for word.

AboveAlpha

 

So you just made this rule up today or what? Funny thing is that some people,like atheists, twist the meaning into what they want. They even misrepresent what is said a lot.

 

Are you saying I have twisted the meaning of what I posted?

AboveAlpha...p.s....I am not an Atheist.

 

So does Christianity. Show me a concensus on what Jesus actually taught. Or a concensus on the meaning of the book of Revelation. Or a concensus on the ritual 'based' on Bible teaching.

C hurches interprete these according to what they 'believe'.

 

Did I say you did or you were?