Part 10 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your written source of your god is not proof. It is a story void of any proof whatsoever. There is just as much proof in my view of god as there is yours. I find it absolutely hilarious you have utter faith in people who thought the Sun orbited around the earth but question anyone elses view of god as false because it isnt your view. The people who wrote the story you believe in were wrong about the sun so what is your theory on why they got everything else correct. Also, again to re-iterate you have again cited no "proof" whatsoever.
    Here lets ask it a different way. You list out for all of us reading which accepted religions are incorrect and which arent. Lets forget about my version and list out all of the religions, then you tell us which one is the only correct one and why. There are many written texts about which god is correct how did you know yours was the only one? I'll let you assemble the list, start with the correct one first and why followed by 10 that are widely accepted religions but you feel are incorrect and why.
    Also my view of what God is, is based in logic of what an almighty being would require. Worship isnt one of those. Also I never said people wouldnt want to worship, (strawman alert!!!) I said, it would not be required by a true God. Again you need to twist words to fit your argument. Do you ever wonder why you need to do that and I never do? You should. Seems to me if God gave the gift of life, then God would want us to respect it and enjoy it, not waste it spending idle time in worship when you could be using that time to help others.
    Now the list of incorrect religions please with #1 being the correct. Pretty Please.
     
  2. Mitt Ryan

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    I did not say I had proof but rather I said I have faith...duh!...lol
     
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    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    God inspired the authors of the Holy Bible to write down His Word, that's why we say the Holy Bible is the Word of God. And yes all non-Christian religions are anti-Christ.
     
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    Well it means they are in disagreement with the Christian belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, which is essentially being against the belief of the deity of Jesus.

    And they may have it wrong, they may be worshipping a false religion. So it begs the question: who is right?...the answer is only God knows!

    I personally have absolute faith that we Christians are right and are worshipping God the right way by including His Son Jesus Christ as part of the deity!
     
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    How is one inspired by god to write stuff down? Explain the mechanics for us, if you dont mind. Assume you know, since it's fundamental to your belief and worldview.
     
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    And then proceeded to chastise him for nothing having literature. You were parading around a book as proof of some divine existence. Why bring it up if its not evidence?
     
  7. Mitt Ryan

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    It's probably because you're in the room, you make things awkward for them. I'm sure if you're not around they would answer the kid with any question he has for them.

    They probably feel the same way as you do, deeply bizarre and disturbing to watch you peering in on their religious conversations with their grandchild.

    Poor kid, around religious grandparents and you a non-believer. I hope he leans towards his grandparents.
     
  8. Mitt Ryan

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    Silly to always use the "P" word...lol

    What are you...in the 3rd grade or something?...lol

    Let me play the silly game you non-Christians always play.

    Since you claim to have a god the burden of proof is on you, so prove your god exist?
     
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    Which God are you talking about ? The God of the creation account was "El" God of Abraham's Father.

    Joshua tells us this.

    Is your God El ?
     
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    You nor I have no idea who the snake was.

    Of course there are other Gods ... " Let us make man in our image" according to our likeness.

    Give up btw on the "ohh that was the trinity" nonsense as the people who wrote the first account of Genesis did not believe in the trinity and so it can not have meant that.

    What they did believe in was multiple Gods.

    As far as the Bible tells us .. God and Satan are not enemies but aquaintances who seem to get along quite well. See Job.

    When Satan temps Jesus he offers him dominion over the entire world. Who other than a God has such powers.

    This passage also tells us that Jesus was not God .. Satan would obviously not be stupid enough to ask God to worship him. It is silly to think otherwise.

    the trinity was invented by Tertullian in 200 ad and it was declared heresy by the Church. Early Church fathers believed that Jesus was subordinate to the Father.

    Constantine was the one that made the trinity doctrine.
     
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    You do not need to know the exact age of an elderly person to know that he/she is not 2 years old.

    You do not need to know the exact age of the earth to know it is not 5000 years old.

    These silly attempts at making an argument may work with an uneducated fool ... but not with someone who has even a modest amount of education never mind a background in science.

    There is always uncertainty in dating to some degree which is why a +/- range is given. For example, some ice cores are dated at 300,000 years old say +/- 1000 years.

    This uncertainty does not mean that it is possible for the ice core to be only 5000 years old. What it does mean is that possibly the ice core is 299,000 years old.
     
  12. Mitt Ryan

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    Do you have conclusive evidence that the Bible is fiction? Saying it is fiction is not proof it is fiction.


    And you can't prove they didn't, all you can do is deny it for whatever reasons that suits you.

    What don't you understand about the meaning of the word "witness"?


    Did you say "in fact"? Sorry but you have no facts. All you have are denials and all you can say without any proof is that you believe the Gospel writers were liars.

    Several of Jesus' disciples (who were witnesses to the life, the ministry of His teachings, the miracles He performed and the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ) wrote their accounts of their Gospels in the New Testament.
     
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    Not sure why you are yapping on about non believers. I believe in God. Are you claiming that one needs to believe in stupidity to be classified as "a believer" or are you claiming that God only admits stupid people ?

    The problem with the Noah's Ark story are not just about water (not that you made any attempt to answer this problem), there are numerous problems.

    There is no way to collect or fit all the millions of species on the earth into a boat of the dimensions given in Genesis.

    How did Noah and 3 sons manage to collect 2 polar bears from the arctic and how long did this take?
    Then of course they would have needed to collect spectacled bears from South America .. how long did this take.
    Kangaroos from down under .. how long did that take.
     
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    On the contrary (since you dedged up this old post), said granddies have gone on to fail to answer any and all questions from my kids - when quite alone with them, unmolested by us heathens. If anything, they're even more uncomfortable.

    Dont worry, our kids have managed to remain unsoiled by the woo :)
     
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    I did not say that gays are the solution to population growth, just that they are not part of the problem.

    If you do not like the gay lifestyle then choose another. This is the beauty of living in a free country.

    Aids is spreading more rapidly through the heterosexual community than the gay community these days. You need to read more.
     
  16. Mitt Ryan

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    In my view no post is old on my threads. I'm answering them as I go along and yours just so happen to come along on Part IV thread.

    I'm still trying to catch up and I'm trying my best to not let any coherent question or comments go unanswered by me.


    Do you have a hidden camera on them when they're with your kids when you're not around?

    Either that or your kids get grilled by you as to what granddies had asked them for you to know that they failed to answer any and all questions and that they're even more uncomfortable with you not around.

    You were quoted saying,

    "sometimes they respond with a nervous laugh and a flushed face - as though he'd stood on the coffee table in the nude and shouted "I'm a teapot!" it's deeply bizarre, and disturbing to watch. on one hand they look for every opportunity to indoctrinate, and encourage discussion of things xtian ... but can only actually tolerate dialogue or questions which could only come from the converted."

    So is this playing back the video you are watching or are you there in person to witness this?


    Well they're just kids but hopefully when they get older they lean towards their grandparents and become believers too.

    So someday they will be with their grandparents in heaven and live happily-ever-after!
     
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    No, they're not friends!
     
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    According to the book of Job they seem like buddies.
     
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    It has always amused me with all the names that are used for a supposed Devil be it Lucifer or Satan or Beelzebub...etc...etc...etc.

    It would seem every religion has it's own mythology specific to an Evil Powerful Entity and as well every religions mythology has an all powerful Entity representing good.

    But very often especially in the older texts of such religion the difference between the acts of the Good and the BAD seem very similar.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The perspective of good/evil in relation to God has definitely changed. We see striking differences between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testiment. The God(s) of creation has yet a different nature.

    What has changed is of course not God, but mans conception of God which is reflected in the various stories that man creates about God.

    What is humorous is listening to literalists trying to reconcile these differences.
     
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    I asked him to prove he was real by getting you to insult me and you then did. Apparently your religion states it is ok to insult your fellow man. Which proves it is either false or you are a hypocrite.
    Does your god condone insulting people? Also you never answered the difficult question. Which religions are incorrect and which one is. lets see how long it takes you to answer.
     
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    Two only were disciples, Matthew and John. And Matthew is fairly certainly written by another, perhaps with Matthews help.

    We only know of 1 disciple at the crucifixion for certain - the disciple whom Jesus loved. Assumed to be John. John 19:25-27. But then we have another contradiction. According to John, he and the women were 'near the cross'. According to the other Gospels they were 'at a distance'. Only one records 'But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things.' That was Luke, who was not even there.
    The disciples had fled, even Peter, when challenged later. There was only one disciple who watched the trial - one who 'knew the High Priest'. We can only guess who.
     
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    Of course you do. And that is the risk you are taking. If you are wrong, well you know the end result.
     
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    It is absolutely proven that the Earth is far older than indicated in the Bible(s).

    It is absolutely and undeniably proven that there is not enough water on this planet to cover the land masses.

    It has been shown as impossible to populate the Planet with the current life forms and diversity without allowing for timeframes denied by the Bible(s).

    It is absolutely proven that humankind could not have become a viable population with only two initial members.

    It is 100% certain that re-animation of a corpse after three days is impossible.

    There is absolutely no possibility of human vocalization being produced by a snake.

    Females cannot under any circumstances reproduce without insemination by a male.

    Bushes cannot talk whether on fire or not.

    No human can survive inside a fish.

    It is impossible for a human to be transformed into a pillar of salt.





    These and many other tales within the texts designate the books as fiction.
     
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    So Jesus is NOT a bloodline descendant, only in jewish law is he considered in the family.
    Name not Im manuel and not a blood descendant. Now it seems to be a little riskier.
     
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