Part 10 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

No you did not but it is curious you posted what you did in conjunction with your reply to me.

AboveAlpha

 

Seems to be hunky dory as long as it agrees with the text.

 

So you're happy with all the ritual, ceremony, fancy robes, incense, confession, transubstantiation etc. Pleased for you. Very little of this I find in the Bible. In fact the writer to the Hebrews rejects most of it as being obsolete.

 

The Pope is the spiritual leader of the Catholic church and he leads by example that is why he uphold the doctrine and teachings of Christ that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that God created the universe, that all humans are equal (heterosexuals and homosexuals), and that Genesis 7,8 and 10 is about a global disaster that hit earth because of men's evil and wickedness but most of all the Pope has always accept the close relationship of science and the church the church has been in the fore front of scientific and medical research and that science is the unveiling of God's majestic power the learning of how God created the universe the process that was involved from a spec, to a particle, to an atom, to a planet, to living thing and finally humans.

God does exist and He knows, and because you don't believe in God you would never know whether if He is laughing at you or not one thing I am sure He is forever forgiving

 

Santa does exist in fact he is a historical figure.

I told you I will be where ever falsehood is being spread and truth is being muddled. Beside are you not happy that I am in this thread to at least help you become truthful?

 

Why are you copying and pasting my thread into this one to reply to it?

 

It is your continual denial of what scientist are saying (forget about the Bible) that life on earth will be in danger of extinction especially humans and Steven Hawking made that very clearly too his warning is similar to the Noah flood. What is global warming? Understand that and you will slowly see the parallel story with Genesis 7. In Genesis 7 it was the wickedness and sins of man that force God to reboot earth now scientist are giving the same warning earth will destroy humanity if humans do not change their ways that is causing global warming. Now global warming what does it mean "global" is it a global effect? Or regional?
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Mass extinction creatures including other humans that were not in the Ark were wiped out. That is why dinosaurs disappeared, caveman disappeared they were replaced with bears, cats, tigers, dogs etc. and cavemen were replaced with modern humans.

I have said that, that is still being research is the time line. The CC accept the existence and extinction of those dinosaurs and the age of the earth as million of years old. The Bible was written at a time where the ancient writers did not have any formal high degree of education or modern tools they wrote the best they can on what is available to them and words such as days were first formulated words that they know their math was limited they lack higher sophisticated mathematical numbers and equations such as thousand, millions and billions they do not have knowledge of yet.

Genesis 7 17 Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. 18 The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.

Read it and notice that the events have now shifted at Noah's area or region. IMO flooding can mean also in other region such as in the Arctic and Himalayas the mountains will be covered with massive snow and ice which we know in such condition all living things can perish. While in the waste lands massive sand storms which we also know can drowned an entire village.

Scientist agree that such condition could happen again if the Noah flood is not real then we have nothing to worry about and all the warning being said by scientist including Steven Hawking about a GLOBAL WARMING that will make this earth inhabitable are all crap???

 

The Church has no dogmatic views one way or another. Huge floods were common in ancient Mesopotamia, so the Noah story could well have a basis in fact (see, for instance, the colossal flood) in antiquity. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html

Nor is the problem of a “world-destroying” flood so problematic if humanity was confined to a fairly small geographical area.

Bottom line: We don't know enough to make very many confident proclamations about how much of the Noah story is to be taken as “scientific fact,” particularly since the author of Genesis had no interest in writing science.

Mark Shea

Senior Content Editor

Catholic Exchange

Can we therefore assume that the CC cannot confirm a Mountain swallowing flood as in Genesis? Just a severe flood? And as we know that mankind was not confined to a small area of Mesopotamia, but throughout the world, the CC can only speculate on the 'world devastating' flood.

 

Jeremiah is concerned with Israel and Judah, the two kingdoms of the Hebrews. As Israel - the 10 tribes - are the 'lost' tribes the Covenant cannot yet be in effect. Unless, of course, you call Christians the new 'Israel'. I see no indication in Jeremiah that God means this. The problem with this we will have two Israels. Revelation tells us that the tribes that formed the original Israel in the OT will be in heaven.

Similar to Isaiah. Would you agree that Isaiah 9:2-7 runs alongside Isaiah 11:1-5. Do these refer to Jesus? If so, why has not Isaiah 11:10-16 yet been fulfilled?

Prophesy is what the reader wants it to be.

 

Well if you tell us stuff like you were a Christian but now more agnostic then like I mentioned you are a former Christian...right? Or have you forgotten making such statements because you are suffering from amnesia?...lol

 

All the water that is frozen in all of the ice in the world is not enough to cover all the land in the world if it melted, let alone cover the mountains.

You think dinosaurs died out 6,000 years ago?

Then why do you keep claiming that the flood happened 6,000 years ago if you believe it actually happened millions of years ago?

Snow doesn't require boats to ride out.

Nobody is saying that we will die out. What we are saying is that there will be catastrophic happenings. That doesn't mean we will go extinct.

 

Not true. I responded to Vicariously's post on this thread on pg. 47 & 49 and still got another response coming...maybe.

Didn't I say in my opening post on this thread that sometimes I will answer questions on other member's thread?...I did, I did say that...lol

 

Pleased with it? Nah, but it doesn't bother me.

 

So you're just making all this up or were you actually that little Johnny character that was told by Miss Pollyanna to shut up?...lol

 

If God was truly a dictator He would have made us all His puppets, but as we can all see He didn't do that. He gave us all free will. I'd say that was very democratic of Him...wouldn't you?

 

Democratic, you say?

Worship me or be tortured. Sometimes rapists offer their victims such democratic choices. Let me assault you or die horribly, your "choice".

 

This is not an easy question to answer but we must keep several things in mind.

First, no human person (including infants) is truly innocent. The Scripture teaches that we are all born in sin (Psalm 51:5, 58:3) This implies that all people are morally culpable for Adam's sin in some way. Infants are just as condemned from sin as adults are.

Second, God is sovereign over all of life and can take it whenever He sees fit. God, and God alone, can give life and God alone has the right to take it whenever He so chooses.

In fact, He ultimately takes every person's life at death. It is not our life to begin with but God's. While it is wrong for us to take a life, except in instances of capital punishment, war, and self-defense, this does not mean that it is wrong for God to do so.

We recognize this when we accuse some person or authority who takes human life as "playing God." God is under no obligation to extend anyone's life for even another day. How and when we die is completely up to Him.

Finally, if all infants and young children who die before an age of moral accountability go straight to heaven (as we believe), then those children are in a far better place.

Surely the issue of God punishing people during the Great Flood is difficult. However, we must remember that God sees things from an eternal perspective, and His ways are not our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9). The Apostle Paul tells us that God is both kind and severe (Romans 11:22). While it is true that God's holy character demands that sin be punished, His grace and mercy remain extended to those who are willing to repent and be saved.

The Great Flood destruction provides us with a reminder that while our God is gracious and merciful, He is also a God of holiness and wrath.

 

Yep, I agree with doombug, you (wolverine) are making up phony claims. The verse in Jeremiah 1:5 does not at all say that "God programs people like a computer."

I tell ya these non-believers will twist anything in Scripture into the narrative of their choice...lol

Are you suffering from a condition called misinterprelitus?...lol

 

Warren quote.

It is your continual denial of what scientist are saying (forget about the Bible) that life on earth will be in danger of extinction especially humans and Steven Hawking made that very clearly too his warning is similar to the Noah flood. What is global warming? Understand that and you will slowly see the parallel story with Genesis 7. In Genesis 7 it was the wickedness and sins of man that force God to reboot earth now scientist are giving the same warning earth will destroy humanity if humans do not change their ways that is causing global warming. Now global warming what does it mean "global" is it a global effect? Or regional?

It is your continual denial of what scientist are saying (forget about the Bible) that life on earth will be in danger of extinction especially humans and Steven Hawking made that very clearly too his warning is similar to the Noah flood. What is global warming? Understand that and you will slowly see the parallel story with Genesis 7. In Genesis 7 it was the wickedness and sins of man that force God to reboot earth now scientist are giving the same warning earth will destroy humanity if humans do not change their ways that is causing global warming. Now global warming what does it mean "global" is it a global effect? Or regional?



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The earth has always been subject to global warming and ice ages at various times. Nothing to do with God or the sins of man.

 

For goodness sake this is David's excuse for his actions and his sin with Bathsheba. Hardly in line with Jesus teaching of the innocence of children. It is picture language expressing his feelings in human terms. Try Psalm 18 (which is a repeat of 2 Samuel 22 when he was saved from Saul). Did these things actually happen. No. They were a way of expressing how he felt.
Moral accountability? Where does that lie, what age is it? It's hardly fair on children that God should set an age limit without telling them. Or is that something only God knows in each individual case. Jews believe it to be 13 (Bar Mitzvah). What about children of Christian parents or children of atheists parents.

I'm not trying to be irreligious or cause upset but some of the things that are being said and interpreted really haven't been thought out.

The story of Adam and Eve is much more interesting theologically in CSLewis's book 'Perelandra'. This is part of a trilogy by CSLewis including 'Out of the Silent Planet' and 'That Hideous Strength'.

 

So you are saying that God will be the one torturing those who choose not to believe and follow Him? You might want to look again.

 

When the Bible was revealed it wasn't reveal to be or as science in part IMO as an instruction to pursue science Genesis 1 -2

IMO the CC accept that Genesis 7,8 & 9 (Noah Flood) was an event that did occurred in a way that need to be research more as to the details how world wide it was and how the other races in other parts of the world existed and experienced it. It is establish scientifically theory that the earth did experienced some sort of global change that is related to a massive or global whether disturbance from the Ice Age, Volcanic, Sand, Snow or Water. The word "flooding" and "earth" use in Genesis could be a description focusing on what is happening at Noah's area that is why the Genesis story is about that while in other parts of the world it could be experiencing other type of flooding such as snow storm, volcanic eruptions, sand storm all these can be describe as flooding as well causing massive destruction and death to living things. Genesis 9 present the lineage of Noah's sons how they move out after the flooding to different parts of the earth.

As I said, today's science including Steven Hawking are repeating or vocalising what the Bible has been saying the only difference is that they are vocalising it base on science but the message is the same for Christians it is "repent" for atheist it is "change" or suffer.

To your answer, no the Catholic church can not deny that a mountain swallowing flood or severe flooding did not happened. And that the Catholic church accept the scientific discoveries of civilization that existed around the world 6000 years ago during the Noah flood that those civilization were spread out in small settlements located in flood zone because of the small population the probability of their settlement of being wiped out by super storm is very likely.

The Bible was written as I have said at a time when the writers had no knowledge of modern mathematical system or grammar language system they wrote it in a primitive manner the dates and numbers could easily have meant thousands or billions what we do know is that Genesis 7,8 and 9 or the Bible as a whole makes sense.

Abraham Lincoln: In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it.

 

Why the need for the new convenant?

 

You can't help one become truthful when every post is a lie.

 

Wrong thread. Deceitful at best.

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