Part 13 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. thebrucebeat

    thebrucebeat Banned

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    What happens if you don't follow those commandments and aren't "righteous" as he would describe it?
    Banishment to the lake of fire!
    That isn't a form of control?
    If it was given as a choice without the fear factor, you would have a point.
    Since it does, you don't.
     
  2. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    In my honest view, WR has shown a remarkable ability to interpret Scripture correctly, however I can't say the same for you.

    For you are like the rest of the critics, you will misinterpret and when we theists explain to you that your interpretation is wrong, you will not acknowledge your mistake...a sign of stubborness and denial.

    Hence, you are not here trying to honestly understand the Bible but rather it's an attempt by you to discredit the Bible in anyway you can, even if it means to be intellectually dishonest about it.

    A varlet and a mooncalf best describes your character in my view.
     
  3. thebrucebeat

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    In the "hardening of heart" discussions you have never produced a shred of evidence for your argument. You state that it is a figure of speech but you don't show that or how it could remotely be possible given the text. Not only does god state he does the hardening, he explicitly tells Moses why he is doing it. Nothing could be clearer. That is intellectual honesty.
    If you think WR is such a wonderful interpreter you must also believe that all the babies in the world were eaten just before the flood.
    Are you really that insane? Be intellectually honest when you answer.
    As for the antiquated insults, they make you look inane.
     
  4. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Exactly! Good post WR! Hey are you mainly referring to bruce?...lol

    Well you and I know that he is certainly one of the guilty ones...eh?...lol
     
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    But you accept the authenticity of the Bible ?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Quit speaking for all Christians. The dogma you worship is made up by humans from an extremist Christian sect and not representative of the majority of Christianity.

    You may not like to admit that you think of God a tyrant but that is your belief.

    Your kind teaches little children that if they will roast in hell for eternity if they do not "have faith in Jesus". This is a religion of tyranny and you have made God out to be a tyrant.

    Your buddy WR thinks it is just to kill all women, children, and babies in entire towns in the name of his religion. Is this not tyranny ?

    WR thinks it is just to kill children in front of their parents in the name of his religion. Is this not tyranny ?
     
  7. Mitt Ryan

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    He is acknowledging that you are able to read and write but being able to read doesn't necessarily mean you are able to comprehend correctly everything you read, especially when reading the Bible...that's a whole new ball game.

    Always remember, the Bible is not a book for the misinterpretation impaired.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then you should probably not be reading the Bible.
     
  9. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Scripture tells us he was 950 yrs. old when he died.
     
  10. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    People lived long in the very early days of the human race but later on God changed all that by bringing it down to 120 years. There have been cases reported where people have lived beyond a 120 years.

    You certainly can call it mythology in your opinion but that doesn't mean it is a fact...now does it?

    Don't you fret! The day will come for all when the truth is revealed. It will be a joyous day for the believers...the saved!...but for the others, well it's going to be judgment time.
     
  11. thebrucebeat

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    You are slipping into being simply rude.
    Where did you interpret that as being the way a Christian should act?
    Peace, love, joy, patience, goodness, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control.
    The Fruits of the Spirit.
    Why don't you exhibit them?

    As for English, "misinterpretation impaired" would mean I am not prone to misinterpretation.
    Should I thank you or just tell you that you're a moron?
     
  12. Mitt Ryan

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    Huh? Sorry but the question is nugatory and rather fatuous, just pure codswallop.
     
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    The difference between the fanatics WWII Japanese was that they were fanatics they were willing to die, kill and fight for their god emperor in order to protect the treasure and material wealth of their god emperor and Japan. Job on the other hand remain devoted to God not because of wealth or power Job was not going to kill, fight or die for his material wealth he was willing to suffer or die under the hands of others who wanted to inflict pain and death to him in exchange he surrender his soul which he refused to do so. Early Christians have live a life of Job they were persecuted because they refused to deny God, they gave up their wealth, power and life so that others may live and they were persecuted for that because they refused to deny God.

    Satan made Job's life miserable hoping that Job will deny God and blame God for his sufferings it did not work.
    Satan then change his strategy when Satan this time instead of making Jesus Christ miserable Satan offered Jesus power and wealth or good life it did not work too.
     
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    This is not about Job this is about staying true to good regardless how tough life gets one must not lose one's humanity.

    Now you want God to interfere? In Noah's flood you seem to be against God interference to punish the wicked and evil as well as the Amalekite war against the Hebrews you seem to be on the side of the Amalekite?

    Jobs success in life has nothing to do with God's good graces Job's success was due to his own moral character and God prove to Satan that man can be good or are good without God's interference and that man will become evil due to Satan's interference.
     
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    Are you a priest? Are you a pastor? Are you a sinner? We confess our sins only to God :pray:
     
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    Are you a Christian? Then you speak not for Christians. The dogma we Christians accept and worship is from God handed down to man written as the Holy Bible so that man will know and not forget that God is not a tyrant but man is history have already produce millions of man tyrants, gods and goddesses and only one Jesus Christ the True God that is not tyrant He alone stood up against all these man tyrants one against millions.

    We just told you God is not a tyrant man are. Are you agreeing with us now that God is no tyrant? If so then alleluia Praise the Lord!


    We teach our children to love our neighbors, love our enemy, to not steal toys from other children, respect and love their parents, do not harm others, and always remember God to keep us all safe and others as well :pray: What do you teach your children is it the opposite?

    It is not tyranny to kill the wicked and evil it is evil to use innocent babies and children as human shield it is pure evil to use them to spread wickedness and evil. The Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Amalekites, Greeks and Romans have killed thousands and thousands of the conquered people including the Hebrew babies, children, women and man that you seem to be okay.

    I have said it many times but I can understand why you distort what I have said so I will say it again it is just to kill wicked and evil people you on the other hand find it just to support wickedness and evil it is because of this that God cause the great flood in Noah's flood and it is this kind of evil that God instructed the Hebrew outnumbered army not to be afraid of the evil Amalekites. Is that what you call tyranny protecting the weak and standing up against evil???

    THis is the huge difference between you and me; I am against wicked and evilness you are for it :(
     
  17. Mitt Ryan

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    Oh so you knew, so in other words you saw an opportunity you couldn't resist to deliberately be mordant to him by ridiculing his English grammar....how mean spirited! ...that's the kind of behavior exhibited by zoilist!

    If you can't attack the argument you attack the person...pretty sad indeed!
     
  18. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Let's see, he's definitely not a priest, and definitely not a pastor, oh yes indeed, he is definitely a sinner like all the rest of us.

    Exactly WR! We Christians confess our sins only to God. How dare this character who calls himself AlphaO ask me about my sins...eh?...silly AlphaO!...lol
     
  19. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Exactly! Good post WR! Well you know at one time bruce did believe the Holy Bible is the Word of God...I mean he did make a claim he was once an ordained minister.

    Perhaps maybe oneday bruce might get back to his roots...for his sake it would be a wise decision! Let's pray for bruce WR! :pray:
     
  20. Mitt Ryan

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    Yeah I agree with you WR! You certainly understand the Bible more than our non-believing friends here whose first language is English.

    A lot of them are just in denial because the truth is they really don't want there to be a God, that's why they try their best to discredit the Bible but it's really a futile exercise.

    They abhor the God of the Bible with great disdain and so they will do anything to distort the truth, I guess that's their way to give them comfort in believing that they are right that God doesn't exist but the reality is they're just fooling themselves.

    Yeah you know, I'm very proud of you too WR! Keep up the great work! :salute:
     
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    I believe the Bible is a mixture of fact and fiction. I'll come back to it later if you wish. It's Sat. a.m. and I am meeting my youngest son for coffee.
     
  22. Mitt Ryan

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    God made it so for the life expectancy to be that long for early humans.

    Well they did but not anymore.

    Sorry, the Bible is not a medical book but I can tell you again that during the days of Noah living past 900 yrs was the natural lifespan of humans.

    The Bible is not a science nor is it a medical book but as you know we humans are making rapid advancements in the medical as well as in the technological fields. So in the future we can expect our life expectancies to get higher than it is now.

    We read in Scripture, Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”---Genesis 6:3 NIV

    The Lord couldn't stand all the sinful wickedness that humans were engaging in and so eventually after the days of Noah He drastically shortened the lifespan of humans down to 120 years. There are people living to that ripe old age but of course not a whole lot.
     
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    WOW!!!!

    I can't believe you actually posted this part!!!

    You ACTUALLY POSTED.... "The dogma we Christians accept and worship is from God handed down to man written as the Holy Bible."...end quote WanRen.

    You do know what the definition of Dogma is don't you?

    I will list a few.

    DOGMA

    a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

    a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted.

    A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.

    the doctrine of belief in a religion or a political system.

    a system of human created exercises intended to impress others for a purpose of indoctrination into a belief that cannot be proven and without any existing evidence as to it's veracity.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    And you believe the human body can live that long is that correct? And you believe Harry Potter is fiction. Is this correct?
     
  25. AlphaOmega

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    NO THEY DID NOT. Please release your skeletal remains so we can verify your claim. If you can prove that statement, I'll go to church. And when I say prove I mean "Prove" not a circular reference to the item in question.
     
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