MOD ALERT Palestinians - Their hatred is the cause of their misery.

As you are so fond of retorting, HBendor .... SOOOOOOOOO WHATTTTTT!!

There are dozens of countries to which that could apply. So yes, the colonialists screwed about with other peoples territory; drew stupid lines; considered mainly their own interests.

So what was your point again? That Italy should be wiped out?

 

The pressure rises !!
Jordan will be Palestine !! And it will be sooner than you think.
Thank you Allah for trying to explain the infidels Muslims that they are wrong.

 

A highly intriguing analysis MGB Roadster!!!!!!!!!

How would this fit with the possibility of a major agreement between the nation of Israel with Jordan?

I am of the belief that "The Engagement Movement" is helping to set the stage for this to occur!

 

Those beings of light who meet with people who have a brush with death seem to be in agreement with you in this assertion MGB Roadster!

(Dannion Brinkley, page 26, Saved By The Light, Scribd version)

 

Actually…… all people on earth……. who have a high level of fear…… a high level of confidence that their own belief pattern is far far better than all others….. tend to be angry and somewhat miserable.

The film "The Secret"….. does a great job of elaborating on methods that can increase the level of peace/Shalom that any of us are experiencing!

Have you read about the unusual case yet of Ms. Barbro Karlen having memories of having been Miss Anne Frank?

Her case is the equal of any of the 3000 or so similar cases studied by Dr. Ian Stevenson who felt that this phenomena would revolutionize psychiatry!

I agree with Dr. Stevenson….. but also feel that there are huge implications as to how peace could be attained between Israelis and Palestinians!

Should we honour our grandparents as well as our parents?

What if our great, great, great, great…. grandfather or grandmother…. has partly……. reincarnated as a member of a group of people who we consider to be "the enemy?"

Isaiah 42:21
"The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable."

 

Those Palestinian Bedouin who teach their kids that Jews are pigs are not beings of lights.
They are pure darkness.
And yes , Jordan would exist no more !! Palestinians will take over the kingdom. Maybe not tomorrow but it will happen.

 

Regarding Syria - Even the Arabs themselves know that it will NEVER be the same.
Regarding Jordan - All agreements between the nation of Israel with Jordan will end when Palestinian Bedouins take over the kingdom
and kill Jordanian king.

 

Intriguing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Pure darkness" is a rather strong statement!!!!

I guess you would not be entirely thrilled to find out that many of those Bedouin Palestinians were high level Jewish scholars in another time period…… but volunteered to come back as Bedouin Palestinians…… to attempt to teach their other grandchildren from other of their past lives………… that the G-d of Abraham/YHWH will not be satisfied until 100 percent of us learn genuine humility!!!!

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

I have to admit……. that I personally was not entirely thrilled when I faced this possibility myself!!!!?????

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This possibility could well inspire the King of Jordan to seek out a means of escape!!!!!????

Highly intriguing indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The Jordanian king knows he is the last Hashamite king.
The Palestinian mijority will rule Jordan.
It will take some time, but Allah leads to that result.

 

and the jews have their own states which they have left them. palestine doesnt belong to the european and american jews.

 

Palestine belongs to jewish people.

 

Israel belongs to its citizens, jews of all stripes, some christians and of course muslims.
I agree that the territories don't belong to Israel.

Unfortunately the palestinians have been pawns in the larger arab political game.
They have been plagued by corrupt, selfish leadership since Israel was established.
They are the worlds only fofficially recognized multi-generational refugees, while being denied basic rights by their own arab brothers in order to exacerbate their plight.
While they have every right to resist the occupation, their strategy has only served to create more misery and death for their people.

AS abba eban said " the palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity".

Israel is not entirely innocent either with numerous governments having absolutely no interest in ending the occupation or enabling the establishment of a palestinian state. Indeed likud believes and has always believed in Israel from river to sea, despite the bullcrap from bibi et.al. The occupation is brutal and oppressive by any standard one wishes to use.

 

You can repeat this lie a million times adding concentration camps. For adequate people it doesn't matter.

 

this isnt' a lie. I did not mention the concentration camp canard.

Are you suggesting that forcing people to wait for hours to go through "checkpoints", where pimply teenagers can single out anyone and have them stripped searched, where getting from one place to another only a few miles a way can take all day, where anyone can be arbitrarily arrested and imprisoned without trail, where palestinians are not judged by their peers but by an Israeli military court, where CHILDREN are incarcerated with adults, and on and on.

It is easy for you to clam its all lies, and be comfortable in the false knowledge that good ol' Israel would never treat anyone unfairly. Its a fairlyland of tolerance and acceptance and no IDF member would harbor hatred against the enemy, nor abuse their almost limitless power in the territories.

What I find even more repulsive is that the Israelis think they are the victims in this occupation. Its as if the concept that an occupied people don't have the right to resist. Granted the palestinians have made an almost complete botch of that resistance, but this common Israeli attitude of blaming the victim for fighting back is galling.

BTW - I support Israel and their right to live in peace. I also support the establishment of a palestinian nation. I do not support the occupation nor land annexation. I think there might be an Israeli political party or two that also shares those opinions.





You might want to examine what brutality and oppression actually mean.

 

Azadi , why Arabs hate Palestinians the most, next to Jews ?

 

You support the right of Israel to leave in peace? Of course Israel has such right and it doesn't need any confirmation. This is a fake support. You do provide support, but not to Israel. You provide ideological support to terrorists, giving them free licence to kill israelis, "brutal occupiers". Just yesterday they killed one israeli.
I personally don't need such "supporters".

 

nonsense.

Yes of course Israel has that right. However, there are many who do not think so. so my articulating it is relevant to discussion.

I do not provide ideological support to terrorists, I simply point out that every belligerently occupied people have the right to resist such occupation. Or do you think because its your nation doing the occupying its a crime to fight back?

why am I not surprised that you don't see the occupation as either brutal or oppressive?

your feeble strawman is noted.

 

And the Arabs left their own states to come to the Land of Israel (Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Jurden etc.), so according to your logic the Arabs also dont belong to the Land of Israel (or as you like to call this land- Palestine).

 

Yes, terrorists and their supporters don't think so. Again - it is fake support.

Who told you that they fight back? Your lying propaganda. They don't fight back. They fight. Exactly as it was long before the occupation. They want to kill jews and they should pay for that. And they will pay, don't doubt. This is exactly why the state of Israel was created - to protect jews.

 

startling piece of illogic there.

A homeland for the jews is PRECISELY why I support Israel.

But its rather obvious they fight back and that is reality not propaganda.
Apparently you do believe that resistence to an occupation is unjustified terrorism.
Yes, the conflict has gone on for many decades, culminating in occupation. What makes you think that military occupation automatically ends the conflict?

Yes, after all this time there's lots of palestinians (and muslims) that hate the Jews. But then again there's boatloads of Israelis who hate the palestinians, their fellow muslims and arabs. Both sides can argue righteous cause.
Funny how that works.

 

Do you know that that "military occupation" you are talking about it was agreed on bote sides? (Israel and the PLO) probably not!

In the first Oslo agreeemnt that what was agreed on (part of it yeah?):

* The first phase of redeployment of military forces of Israel will cover populated areas in the West Bank as Cities, towns, villages, refugee camps and hamlets.
* Further redeployments of Israeli military forces to locate to specified military areas.

Even the 4th Ganeva never said that Judea and Samaria is not an occupaying territory:
This Convention shall not apply to the West Bank- Israel is not occupying a foreign territory, and its relation to legal territory, not canceled since the granting of the mandate. Also, the Geneva Convention deals with an area occupied another country, while in the West Bank Never existed other legitimate sovereignty (Recall Jordanian occupation In 1948-1967 was not recognized as legitimate).

Israeli settlements are not illegal even under the Convention- Geneva Convention includes only forcible transfe, According to precedent Nazi resettlement. Privacy civil initiatives, such as internal migration and Purchase Are denied in the Convention. Besides, the Convention does not preclude the establishment of settlement and population transfer for security purposes if the fabric of the existing population is a danger to the occupier.

 

That for you is obvious. But not for a pregnant woman, who was wounded in the "traditinal" teract before Pesach.
Again, Israel can use all means, I repeat - all means, to protect its population. And it doesn't matter what somebody out off Israel says.

 

Did you know that the Oslo Agreements ultimate goal was the establishment of an independent palestinian state that never happened.

You characterize the agreement as palestinians agreeing to be militarily occupied, which is ridiculous propaganda.
They were trying to get rid of the occupation step by step.

Try these simpleton arguments on somebody that isn't familiar with the history of the conflict.

might learn something about Israeli jurisprudence on the subjec to occupation by reading this:

http://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/review/2012/irrc-885-kretzmer.pdf

 

Don't go all self righteous. Its not like the IDF have not killed lots of women and children in the course of military operations. '
Like I said, you are of the opinion that lethal resistence is terrorism, while lethal subjegation by Israel is perfectly fine in the interests of "security".

It is obvious that protection of the population is a key priority. But you'll forgive me if I don't think "by all means" should include operations that knowingly will kill innocent civilians. Its not like history hasn't taught you that disproportional retaliation has not been all that effective in crushing resistence and all it basically achieves is fueiling the vicious cycle of hatred and terror amongst both populations.

 

I know dont worry about me!

how is it a ridiculous propaganda if Clinton was a wittness of this aggreement? at the white house?
they were trying to get rid of Israel from Judea and Samaria, correct, thats why they agreed to sign Oslo agreement and to all of the paragraphes in it (two of them I already wrote you).
YOU CANT DISMISS THE FACT THAT THE PLO AGREED TO OSLO AGREEMENT AND TO WHOLE OF THE PARAGRAPHES IN IT, so yes they did want that the IDF will control them.

try to debate with someone who doesnt live in Israel and doesnt been in Judea and Samaria 3 years from his life there and couple of times Arabs there shooted at me with no reason whats so ever, so you need to get yourself together!!

I'm still waiting on your reference about what I wrote you about what was written on 4th Geneva about "what is ocupated territory and why Israel is not one of them".


Just to refresh your memory today the PA (the organization that Abu-Mazan control) is part of 4th Geneva, so they cant say anymore that Judea and Samaria is an occupated territory, because in 4th Geneva was written something else.