HOBBY LOBBY owner 'installs' BIBLE curriculum in PUBLIC SCHOOLS in OK

You mean a DEIST who screwed his slave and MADE MORE SLAVES with her?? That's a hero! Of course these clowns don't understand this basic principle. THE ONLY TIME RELIGIOUS WAS USED IN THE CONSTITUTION WAS IN THE PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO EXCLUDE RELIGION As in 'free to choose OR NOT to choose religion'. Not a 'choice of a RELIGION'. But then these clowns have their own CONSTITUTION or have reading comprehension problems. (Perhaps both!)

In fact, the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not even once. Nowhere in the Constitution is religion mentioned, except in exclusionary terms. When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States

 

I really would not have a problem with an unbiased elective class on religion, but I do have a problem when people advocate it as a way to "Put Christ back in schools" (Or some similar phrase).

 

The Constitution has been around for nearly 227. No one has attempted to turn the US into a theocracy.

Progressives have been busy destroying the Constitution for 101 years, however.

 

Agreed to a point. Electives, however, aren't on their face, important. Every student has to have to take certain classes to graduate. As long as they have enough, non-religious electives to satisfy secularists and allow graduation, I can't see a problem.

 

Yeah, I'll bet the people who lined up single line to go into the showers in 'camps' thought they were getting a shower.

NO this is not meant as hyperbole. All evil starts with following orders! Little kids follow orders first.

 

Tone it down a little, drama queen. You're comparing an elective class to genocide. Do you want people to laugh at you?

 

There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs." - Booker T. Washington 1911

And luckily BOOKER T WASHINGTON didn't live long enough to see little kids hosed down in streets and dogs let loose to attack teenagers, little boys with steel fans tied around their necks and thrown off bridges and little girls in church choirs blown to bits. He didn't have to see that. That all happened after he was dead--and in MY LIFETIME!

Try another signature. That has more holes than swiss cheese.

 

Its an elective class about religion, not a shower ? Lol...

 

Ah. I see you have no reply what so ever that is worthy of consideration. Thank you for showing your argument is worthless.

 

It what instance?

 

Adams speaks for me. Argue against that.

 

How is an elective class following orders and you comparing an elective class to the Holocaust is disgusting!

 

What happens when a teacher, teaching this course, prefaces the material with the fact that their personal belief is that the bible is a collection of myths, and that God does not really exist?
Do they get fired?
Because that would be a 1st Amendment issue....

 

yeah, we were fleeing a Christian theocracy that was on a convert of kill mission of the Indians, now some want to turn us back into that which we fled

BTW, was Jesus ever mentioned in any of the founders documents?

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

""Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination." "

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Nothing we have said here indicates that such study of the Bible,” the Court decided, “when presented objectively as part of a secular program of education, may not be effected consistently with the First Amendment.”

Nuff said

 

why? are the Sunday Schools failing to live up to God's standards, will the gov do a better job then the church?

 

So if a teacher teaching the course, expresses the opinion that it's mythology, there would be no repercussions?

 

Why would there be. And why would a teacher feel the need to mention her personal opinion ? They are there to teach. Period.

 

many are trying.. but we must keep slapping the crazies back to reality... as the founding fathers did if we want to keep our country free

"Huckabee: Amend Constitution to Reflect God's Standards "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onHkywYc_1M


"The Palin Principle – Bible trumps Constitution"

http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/201...nt-to-base-law-on-bible-and-ten-commandments/

"Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant — they’re quite clear — that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the ten commandments." - Palin

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how about an elective on the the Muslims religion, Scientology, FSM, the Peyote Religion, ect... can't leave out other religions, if one is allowed... all should be allowed

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correct, they are their to teach, not spread religious propaganda...

 

Great idea! Fund one!

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"Because the book is being taught within an academic purview, it does not violate the Establishment Clause of the Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Abington School District v. Schempp.

“Nothing we have said here indicates that such study of the Bible,” the Court decided, “when presented objectively as part of a secular program of education, may not be effected consistently with the First Amendment.”


See what happens on this forum is you actually read the article then debate it. It helps if you have a clue about what you ar debating however.

 

don't have to fund it, these are public schools, this is on the tax payers dime... if Christians churches are failing and can get the gov to work for them... then all religions deserve the same access to our kids

 

According to the Religious News Service, the “Museum of the Bible Curriculum” created by Hobby Lobby’s President Steve Green (pictured above) will be beta-tested in Oklahoma’s Mustang Public School district beginning in the Fall of 2014."

Seems someone paid for it to be created not the tax payers.. Again it helps if you read. If this was a required class you would have a point.

 

the school (tax payers) is funding it, not hobby lobby, hobby lobby just lobbied the gov to allow it

why not push it in a religious school?

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