HOBBY LOBBY owner 'installs' BIBLE curriculum in PUBLIC SCHOOLS in OK

We were taught Greek and Norse Mythology in middle school its strange i dont recall anyone having an issue with it.

 

I have no problem with world religions as an elective... this is nothign like those...

maybe they could call the class bible mythology....

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who would of thought that the lobby in hobby lobby was referring to lobbyists


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Because this guy is putting up the money to recruit new cult members, isn't that the real reason for this?

 

Its a religion and its an elective how is it not like any other?

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So you just want to spread your hate for the Religion what a shock. Do you want to discuss the topic in a respectful manner or not?

 

the Palin's and their religious nuts want to change this country into a theocracy

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ok if it's no different from other mythologies, lets call the class "Study of Middle Eastern Bible Mythology"

if you do not mind the schools calling other myths.. myths, then you wont mind here either....

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Strange i dont see what Palin or "religious nuts" have to do with the topic. If you have an issue with what the class is called perhaps write that Board of Education. However since you do not live there i dont think they will give a damn but its worth a shot!

 

Seem to have a very religious slant. A history of the bible might be more appropriate. I tend to think western civ impacted the bible more than vice versa.

A course could study how the documents were collected and recorded. How the final documents were decided on, why the writings that were not included were left out, and how the different translations were sifted down to the final agreed on truth.

Only after that could there be a real objective study of how it interacted with political, social, and religious movements in european and colonial history.

 

Whence spring our rights? Quote Jefferson.

 

Lefties STILL don't understand that it is CONGRESS that can't establish a religion. States are NOT Congress!

 

What if you don't go to Sunday School? Besides, Sunday Schools rarely touch upon the Old Testament. There are more allusions in classic literature to the bible than any other source. How can students be expected to truly understand such literature without some sort of familiarity with the Bible? Now, I'm not suggesting it be taught as truth, just that students have some exposure to the plot. Teaching the Bible doesn't have to be about morality or living up to God's standards. I give a brief summary lecture of the Cain and Abel story while teaching Beowulf because most students don't understand the allusion when it is said that Grendel is a descendant of Cain. The Old Testament, once you remove its "holiness" is really just a great soap opera.

 

The 1st amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." So Oklahoma has introduced a bible class in school and made it an elective, both of which doesn't prohibit the free exercise of religion.

What's the problem here?

 

The problem is in their minds.

 

What a joke the religious right are. They will not last the next two decades. Tactics like this reek of desperation.

 

Perfectly legal. Deal with it.

 

I don't see people signing up for a 4 year elective, but whatever.

 

I agree. As was mentioned, there is academic value, literary, cultural, historical etc. things, in studying the bible, as is the case with studying Islam, Greek mythology etc.

I wouldn't mind a "major world religions" course being taught, elective or mandatory.

A course to only teach Christian text and nothing else, elective or not, is not being "objective and academic" which is part of the criteria they use to justify it as fit for public school.

 

In a four year course, other religions and their impact should also be included, if it's to be part of a secular education program and objective and academic.

 

He didn't mention Christianity, he just said religious/moral.

Nevertheless, George Washington said the opposite. How come the first president and father of the whole revolution was wrong, but sloppy seconds prez is definitely right?

I'll give you an answer.. It's because the purpose and intent is not decided by any particular person, founder or not. They were bitterly divided on the topic, and argued for ages over every word the Constitution should contain or not. Their opinion can be generalized only by the sum consensus of the negotiation, and that is the Constitution itself. Generalizations of their purpose can't be made outside its text.

You claim the Constitution itself is Christian. You can't find the words in it to show this, because of the fact that it is obviously not the case. IF the founders in large part wanted it to be, they could have established Christianity as the official national religion. They didn't, instead choosing to prohibit the congress from doing that in the future.

 

Me either. Want religious classes in public school? Teach comparative religion, and include atheism and humanism in that as well. Otherwise, save it for the private schools.

I've continued to defend Hobby Lobby because they are one of the only retail outlets that pays a living wage to full time workers, but my patience is now wearing thin. They could fund private schools instead and offer them free to parents who want their children educated in a Christian fashion.

 

Religion has no business being taught in a Fed funded school. The hypocracy this man shows really knows no bounds. He does not want his religious freedoms touch, however he has alot of gall to impose his beliefs on a school system. Please tell me how that works?? Also I donot care if it is an elective or not. I am willing to bet anyone here that if the Muslim religion was being taught as an elective the crying from this guy would make the Kleenex company a boat load of money. Plus the outrage from the right on this forum would be funny

 

It has every RIGHT AS AN ELECTIVE COURSE!. Go read the Constitution again and fins where it says anything about establishing a religion other than CONGRESS. BTW, an elective course isn't even close to establishing a state run religion, even if Congress isn't the one doing it.

 

It has no business in a public school elective or not! This is using tax payer dollar to endorse religion. That is illegal bottom line end of file.

 

post a link to the law showing a religious elective is illegal. You can't, so you will ignore.

 

yep, and once the gov takes over the teaching of Christianity, it can change the religious teachings in ways Christians never even dreamed of

 

Maybe, maybe not, but anybody planning on going to college would be giving up all their electives just to take this one class. Seems impractical.