Man Arrested While Picking Up His Kids: 'The Problem Is I'm Black'

That's being a bit harsh on GOP voters. They might not be welcome elsewhere.

 

That's being a bit harsh on GOP voters. They might not be welcome elsewhere. My post above was response to above quote.

 

He's gotta be some kind of stupid ass to just hang out in front of a bank. Obviously he may be casing to rob the bank or the armored car delivery. Suspicious activity in anyone's book. Had someone called the cops about a guy sitting on a bench in front of a big box retailer for 2 hours, a former Armored Truck partner and all around good hard working kid fresh out of the Navy wouldn't be dead at the age of 26 with 30 shell casings on the ground. I hope they tazed this guy a good long time for being stupid.

 

I've never once seen you say anything like that about white people. Why are white people less responsible for what other white people do?

Just remember, for all the gang violence you see, a white person is responsible for dropping two atomic bombs killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Do you and I need to atone for that?

 

Mostly Whites seem to focus on the actual responsible Whites rather than on every White on Earth as culprits simply due to skin pigmentation. So Whites correctly decide that there was a strong faction of Whites inside that administration that wanted to see what would happen if a very potent weapon was released above the heads of an unsuspecting city metropolis. Besides which . . . in defense of Whites, they were after all dropping them on the heads of merely 'Clever Yellow Monkeys' and not decently White-skinned HUMANS.

Now how's that for throwing a racism and bigotry set of monkey (hah!) wrenches into the mutual "Your lot is responsible!"/"No! Your lot is responsible!" blame game scenario?

 

I'm a little lost on why this guy was being so defensive and uncooperative. I mean, it just seems a little to staged.

 

An objective intelligent person knows that you can't paint an entire race by the actions of some.

Yet, there are these things called statistics that do indicate tendencies.

People like you who try and twist history make me sick.

We were attacked and those two atomic bombs saved more lives than they took.

War is a terrible thing, but with human nature being what it is it will always be with us.

I am OK with all of it as long as the Good guys win.

Don't get it twisted, the color of the good guys doesn't matter.

 

Your right the 600 really don't matter anymore than the 8K.

 

No crap it doesn't matter. That's my point. It can't not matter here but matter other places. If black people are responsible for the actions of other black people, then so are white people for other white people. Except that's never the way it works.

Statistics do indicate tendencies but using statistics in this manner is essentially just gambling and probability but many forget this and assume it means certainty. And statistics still do not make people responsible for the actions of other people.

 

Sounds like the cons in this thread are perfectly OK with having to present the cops with ID whenever asked, as refusal warrants arrest. Papers, please.

 

So you can spot an illegal that easy? Racist statement isn't it? Had the guy stood up and left he would not have been able to get the video footage that he was ready to take. If he had handed the police officer his ID he would have had no footage so it looks to me like he got what he wanted.

His and the liberal horde's idea that you don't have to identify yourself unless you are in the commission of a crime is stupid.

 

Yes, we must bow our heads to the police. If they ask for our papers, we must show them. (*)(*)(*)(*)ing black people exercising their constitutional rights, the nerve!

 

If you've never been to St. Paul, the Skyway is a very busy public thoroughfare. It is -- for all practical purposes -- an enclosed sidewalk to make walking around downtown St. Paul a little more comfortable during Minnesota's bitter cold winters. There are coffee shops, cafes, and benches essentially duplicating what you would find down on the street. It is not at all uncommon for people to "loiter." Also, the news story said he was near the First National Bank Building --one of St. Paul's downtown office buildings . It said nothing about him "loitering" in front of a bank. The Skyway connects several buildings and shopping areas together so to walk. In the winter, old ladies use the Skyway as their walking track, for example. This incident indeed occurred on Jan. 31 -- when it was probably TEN BELOW ZERO outside and that is exactly why the Skyway exists. Given the facts as reported in the news story and his corroborating video, this man was not doing anything that thousands of other downtown workers wouldn't have been doing that same day -- using the Skyway to get from one downtown location to another... or to get a cup of coffee... or even (gasp) waiting to pick up their kids from preschool...

I am the first one to stand up and defend the cops when something goes wrong because usually they are in the right. Not this time... The female cop escalated the situation by continuing to badger this citizen after he lawfully declined to voluntarily identify himself -- something which he is not obliged to do under Minnesota law. Given his calm demeanor and matter-of-fact, respectful communication with her it was clear that he was very likely just waiting to pick up his kids as he stated. She should have let it go at that. The cops grossly overreacted and I think this fellow will be vindicated. These cops should be disciplined though they likely will not...

 

So you can spot an illegal that easy? Racist statement isn't it? Had the guy stood up and left he would not have been able to get the video footage that he was ready to take. If he had handed the police officer his ID he would have had no footage so it looks to me like he got what he wanted.

His and the liberal horde's idea that you don't have to identify yourself unless you are in the commission of a crime is stupid.

So if the guy had been looking up women's dresses and staring at a young girls' butts the police would have no reason to ask for his ID?? We don't know why the police were called but because he had a camera going we know that he wanted them called.

He is now authorized to wear the "I been TAZED" tat on his arm so he's happy.

 

Then he would actually be breaking a law. There was not one real police command in that entire diatribe, and we know what happened beforehand because the police have addressed it. He was sitting on a bench in a public skyway, a security guard asked him to move, they got in an argument. That's why the police were called.

 

And if you obey and remain silent, not questioning authority, you will eventually find yourself living in a society where the militarized police state has become:

 

The law gives the police many tools, it doesn't give them the tool to require people to identify themselves without cause. Had he been looking up skirts, there would have been cause. He wasn't.

He turned on the phone after he was approached by a police officer who insisted he provide them with information that he wasn't legally required to. He started taping the officer because she over stepped her authority and he wanted to document that over reach.




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You don't know that he wasn't. You do know that he was making people uncomfortable and the security guard asked him the leave and resisted until the guard called the police.

Again you have no idea at this time why the guard called the police so you don't know what he was suspected of. Do you?? If he was suspected of refusing to leave when asked by a person authorized to ask him to leave then he was required to identify himself, Wasn't he?

The over reach was the man's notion that because he is Black he could defy the police's authority and their duty to question a man who is near a school and arguing with a security guard over where his Blackness can sit.

 

This is disgraceful conduct by the police to confront a peaceful citizen, taser him, arrest him and then drop the charges.

There is no doubt this confrontation was based on racism. Clearly the victim is an educated person that speaks well and was non-violent. The police should be arrested, tasered and charged.

 

Not in Minnesota: It's the law. And it is not "in the commission of a crime." It is the very basic standard of "reasonable suspicion" and the officer must be able to clearly articulate what it is. This officer did not do that. Once the citizen declined to voluntarily identify himself, the officer was required under law to leave him alone UNLESS SHE COULD ARTICULATE SOME REASONABLE SUSPICION. Which she did not...

Of course. But that's not what he was doing now, was it? Let's not move the goalposts, shall we? Let's deal with WHAT WE KNOW, not what we wish were true because it fits our argument.

We don't know any such thing.

And he'll be able to pay for that ink with the settlement he'll get from St. Paul's taxpayers...

 

Looking up women's skirts is illegal. It is unreasonable for you to assume a man is guilty of a crime that was never even suggested, on the basis that anything is possible.

Chris Lollie was waiting in a public sitting area. A security guard from a nearby business called police and told them Lollie refused to leave an unmarked public sitting area that the security guard asserted was for employees only. Regular visitors to the area questioned this assertion and there were no signs indicating it was anything but a public sitting area. One woman told police she often eats lunch at the location and had never been told it was anything more than a public area.

Chris Lollie had left the area and was walking the few blocks to his daughter's school when police officer Lori Hayne approached him. She asked his identity and he legally declined. In response she and two other police officers assaulted Chris Lollie with tasers, cuffed him, and took him to jail. Lori Hayne charged Lollie with disorderly conduct and trespassing. As the location was a public area, the trespassing charge was dropped. As witness reports and a video tape demonstrated there was no disorderly conduct, the disorderly conduct charge was dropped.

The authority of the police does not include detaining, tasing, or demanding the identity of people without cause. The police offered no cause in this case.







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You're a sharp one. I'm going to be very cautious and try to avoid entering a debate with you. I can see that you are armed with indisputable facts. You're a credit to all the liberal goof balls here.

 

It is extremely rare for a Law Enforcement Officer to misbehave. Let's wait until all the facts come in.

 

You could start with the lies in the OP. The man had some time to kill and went and sat in a private seating area. He was asked to leave by the private security hired by the property managers. According to the article cited, the man decided that the only reason they ask him to leave was because he was black and he didn't leave. Security called the police since the man was committing the crime of trespassing by not leaving when asked to leave.

Of course, we go with the new New York Times slogan now, "All the news that fits, we print." And, if we have to lie a bit to make the news fit, so be it.

None of that means the police acted appropriately but lying does not help The Atlantic or Tao.

 

Since all banks have cameras all over the place that last statement is provable.

He started videotaping when he encountered the cops. Sorry, sitting in the lounge of a bank with no business there IS suspicious activity and the police had every right to ask him for ID. If it was a bistro or a shoe store I'd agree with you. Sounds to me like the guy was trying hard to provoke an incident so he could tape it and sue.