Man Arrested While Picking Up His Kids: 'The Problem Is I'm Black'

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  1. Bow To The Robots

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    Huh. Yet all criminal charges against this citizen have been dropped...
     
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    Being an idiot isn't a crime in any state that I know of. In 2011 there were 5,014 bank robberies at a loss of $38,343,501.96. That's a rate of one bank robbery every 1.8 hours and you find nothing suspicious about anyone walking into a bank where they have no business to transact and just plopping down in their lounge? :roll:

    Chris V. Lollie, who filmed his own arrest and then uploaded it onto YouTube Tuesday, said he was waiting for his two children to arrive at preschool the morning of Jan. 31, when a security guard tried to kick him out of a First National Bank lounge in downtown St. Paul.

    Guards called police when Lollie refused to leave.

    “As is often the case, the video does not show the totality of the circumstances,” Smith said in his statement. “The guards reported that the man had on repeated occasions refused to leave a private ‘employees only’ area in the First National Bank Building.”[/u/


    http://www.startribune.com/local/east/273121921.html


    The race baiters are out in full force. Funny how the Atlantic's article just failed to mention the circumstances above isn't it.
     
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    Sounds like he was just cool or tough to simply move on when asked by security.

    Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

    ~shruggs~
     
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    police do this all the time, they always drop the charges when proved wrong, they never get in trouble though, that is why it continues to happen
     
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    Seems like we've found a good tool to discourage this behavior: camera phones.




     
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    Google glass will be even better...

    course we will probably need to fight that in court at some point, that people have a right to wear their Google glasses during a police interaction as I am sure some cops wont like it because they know they can't do illegal stuff if you record them

    when people all start posting these interactions online, you will be able to search a cops prior interactions... may be useful in a trial (reverse is true as well of course)
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    looks as though 'big brother' is gonna work both ways then, for the time being.
     
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    The lounge isn't in the bank. It runs the length of a long public hall that connects two buildings. One building, which contains (among other things) a bank is called the First National Bank Building, so it's reasonable to describe it as the First National Bank Building lounge -- but the lounge belongs to Nightingale Realty.

    Reporters for the Minneapolis Star Tribune visited the skyway, they backed up Lollie’s assertion that the area where Lollie sat was not designated as “private” or “employees only.” It very much appears to be a public sitting area for shoppers and travelers who want a break from the 10 below cold on the streets outside.

    The mayor of St. Paul, Chris Coleman, has called for a full review of the arrest conducted by Lori Hayne, Michael Johnson and Bruce Schmidt, saying that it “raises a great deal of concern, especially given this summer’s shooting death of Mike Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.”





     
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    Not thrilled about the privacy issues it impacts, but there does seem to be an upside to the trend of cameras every where and instant publishing on social media.

    Hopefully knowledge of this will encourage more civil, safe and respectful behavior from cops and citizens as well. Being a cop is a hard job, greater transparency and visibility of the problems encountered may make that job a little easier as well as reduce incidents of police misbehavior.




     
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    I think it reduces both crime and police abuse... I think our schools should have camera's in the hallways and classrooms too
     
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    looks like the "Arab Spring" of documenting police brutality has caught on in america at last. is this the end of Rodney King like brutality? Or are thug cops going to exploit this for fame?
     
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    I think it does. I think there needs to be a discussion about balancing public safety and privacy rights with regard to all these cameras. It will be a complicated one.





     
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    No man or woman can be held responsible for the actions of another.

    Yet at the same time when what seems like a large portion of the black

    community supports gangster rap and all the crap that goes with it,

    why is anyone surprised at the results. No other race I know of does

    more to harm itself. It seems like the good decent blacks are for the

    most part either afraid and/or not willing to confront this. The culture you

    are raised in and the way you are raised have everything to do with

    the person you turn out to be.
     
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    Laws in many states define loitering as “wandering about from place to place without apparent business, such that the person poses a threat to public safety.” Under these laws, if a police officer sees someone loitering, the officer can demand identification and an explanation of the person’s activities. If the person fails to comply, the officer can arrest the person for loitering. Therefore, the refusal to answer questions is a problem only if the officer has also observed the person loitering.
     
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    If that's what he was doing then he'd be a suspect for a crime and the cops could arrest him and take his identity. You can't demand identification unless someone has broken the law.
     
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    Even the so-called victim himself (Chris Lollie) should be glad that cops were there trying to protect his and everyone's kids from suspicious-looking characters at the school. But no! Mr. Lollie chose to get smart with the cops and shriek racism.

    Pfft!
     
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    Yah, shrieking like a girlie mon.
     
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    I like the idea of body cams on the police themselves myself.
    I heard one area that started using body cams saw an 80% reduction in the number of complaints against police.

    80% !!!

    And officer use of force declined by 60%!!!

    http://voiceofsandiego.org/2014/03/28/fact-check-do-police-cameras-decrease-police-complaints/
     
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    Nice! Now what was the effectiveness index? We have all those officers terrified of applying force when necessary and so how many people got killed because an officer dared not do what was necessary to stop someone? Ooops!

    When you shackle LEOs you unshackle the bad guys. Still it makes leftwingers feeeeeeeeeeeeeel good, and that's all that's really important . . . until one of them is staring down a barrel of a gun and a nearby LEO doesn't dare do anything without first having a lawyer present.
     
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    problem here would be the police would have the files that stored their brutality. now they are testing laws, with these nude pics of celebs, to try and eliminate the problem of civilians (hackers) accessing these files.
     
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    Your concerns are silly and there's no reason to believe that cameras like these will somehow lead to more crime.
    Heck, when police use force justifiably, body cameras actually make it easier for the to support their case.
    There is absolutely no reason for why we should intentionally keep ourselves ignorant of such activities.

    -Meta
     
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    "Your concerns are silly and there are no reasons why . . . " was curiously enough part of the leftwing argument for why there should be perpetual welfare for impoverished communities where today they have become such hell holes DUE to those leftwing programs that one might as well be talking about places in Iraq.
     
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    The Police Department response does tend to put this issue in perspective. If Lollie was just hanging out in a public area, I could see why he would view himself as the victim of racism here, but if he has been waiting in a private area and told to leave by a private security guard (which apparently initiated the police call), then the police going up and trying to find out who he was makes perfect sense. In which case, the police didn't just pick a random black guy to harass, they were going after him specifically in response to a police call. In which case, he should have identified himself.

    For all I hear about "The Talk" whenever one of these issues comes up, it seems that nobody is actually listening to what the talk says; they're ignoring it. If my son had pulled that and got himself tased and arrested, I would be mad at him for ignoring my Talk.
     

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