This did not come about by chance...

Ahh I see that cognitive firewall is still up and running. The frequencies are simply vibrations you see. Such vibrations can come from virtually all aspects of nature, see Phonons for example. Also electromagnetic waves are vibrations, specifically normal mode coordinates of the electric and magnetic field, see Photon Gas for example. These frequencies are over abundant throughout the universe.

Now I want you to explain how in the video entropy doesn't decrease. Goodluck.

 

Do you even know the definition of entropy? It doesn't seem so. It seems you have it backwards.

 

Again, it says no such thing. Only dishonest creationists state the perversion you used. I even posted the mathematics of the actual SLoT, you have no math, no nothing except pontification to back your falsehood.

 

How do you explain the formation of the nanomachines within a living cell by random, chance mutations from non living elements. This is the OP.

Your misdirection is childish and false as false can be. Not scientific in the least.

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Math schmath, everything in the universe is decaying, losing energy.

 

I know how to derive it from two interacting Einstein Solids, which in turn gives you the definition. Please explain how entropy is increasing in the video I gave you.

The cognitive firewall you have constructed won't allow you too, it's like you don't have free will.

 

Over and over again you try to make this argument that thermodynamics disproves evolution.

Here's one more site - a group of Christians who point out that you are just plain wrong and state why:
https://biologos.org/questions/evolution-and-the-second-law

 

It is impossible to derive order from chaos. It is simple, even a child understands that. You religious zealotry will not permit you to understand simple science. We are done, pissing in each other's Cheerios.

 

You claimed that growth of living material on earth is consistent with thermodynamic law, but that evolution is not!! But, you give no explanation of how that could be true.

As for your "just one" argument, here are numerous documented cases of evolution of new species:
- http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
This one categorizes cases of observed speciation by the mechanism by which the speciation occurred. Note that these cases of evolution have nothing to do with geology, dating methods, large amounts of time, genetic intervention by humans, etc. and that they resulted in a new species.

- http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html
This one is a collection of reports by individuals of documented cases of speciation with enough info to identify the work.

 

As the article points out, thermodynamic law does NOT suggest that entropy increases evenly throughout a system. It is merely the total within a closed system.

As was pointed out to you in an earlier post, the earth-sun system can decay in a way that is consistent with thermodynamic law AND in a way that has entropy on earth decreasing. This comes from the fact that the earth-sun system came with a grossly unequal division of energy.


I can see why you would like to cut off the conversation!! Your ideas have been given the big thumbs down by scientists of all religions including your own.

 

Even a child knows that if you shake up (chaos) a bottle filled with half water and half oil, then let it sit for a few minutes, gravity will cause the water and oil to separate (order). No intelligence required.

 

On it's face it would seem that Biologos is the natural progression or reaction of those Christian;s with HALF A BRAIN...understanding that since all Christian Leadership with the exception of the Baptists has DECLARED TO THEIR FAITHFUL THAT EVOLUTION IS A REALITY.....and that in this day and age IT HURTS THE CHANCES OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF ATTRACTING NEW MEMBERS IF THEY ATTEMPT TO DENY EASY TO VERIFY REALITIES.

Thus Biologos states that they realize that Evolution is the process by which all Life Developed on Planet Earth....but they feel that a GOD used both Quantum and Biological Evolution to create the Universe and all things and life within it.

That statement has some logic to it as it cannot be definitively proven either way if a GOD exists or not.

AboveAlpha

 

I just had an epiphany. NaturalBorn is correct in his statement that life indeed does violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. In fact life escapes the never ending increase of entropy, but it can only do so for so long. You see life without death would indeed violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Life is so damn awestricking because it is a perpetual negentropy machine, constantly defying the increase in entropy of its immediate environment. Intelligence is perhaps the grandeur of all negentropy machines the universe could ever conspire to produce. Intelligence is the most powerful commodity the universe has to offer since it can be used to take low level matter and reorder it in such a manner that it drastically reduced a local amount of entropy. Perhaps Intelligence is the most amount of negentropy you can get with the lowest amount of energy as an input.

 

There are still some people here who you might enjoy debating with.

I know what you mean and what you are going through because I go through it here all the time!! LOL!!!

It would not bother me if those who have Faith and have Religious Beliefs and Ideology...and there are a few....could simply attempt to debate in a LOGIC BASED AND FACTUAL INFORMATION AND DATA RESOURCES MANNER.

But unfortunately some Religious individuals have such a fragile state of FAITH.....they see ANY scientific based data as a THREAT.

Thus they act out and respond negatively and many times almost violently when confronted by such data.

What can a person do?

AboveAlpha

 

Chemistry does not involve random chance, that was already proven to you.

If the electron orbiting the nucleus of a stable atom was decaying, as you claim, no matter could exist, so the very existence of those nanomachines proves you know less than nothing about everything.

 

Never was.

All energy and matter are winding down. That is called entropy. You have yet to provide an example of a decrease in entropy. But, I will hand it to you, you keep telling the same lies over and over an awful lot.

 

Understand that with the exception of Human Brain Cells....every other Living Cell in your or my body is a different cell than it was originally.

Thus with the exception of Brain Cells as we only get a certain number of Living Brain Cells and when they die...THAT'S IT!! We don't get replacements.

But as far as the rest of our body is concerned.....the STEAK I ate for breakfast has now become a portion of my Bicept....and what was ME...or my Bicept previously is no more.

AboveAlpha

 

How could any thinking person assume a nanomachine like this one (of many different types within the cell) could have formed from a mud puddle by some random chance, is way beyond the boundaries of science and logic.

Seeing this animation, and others like it, are evidence for an intelligent designer, just as one seeing a robotic arm on the International Space Station is evidence for design.





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You keep posting that Energy is winding down or decaying but it is not.

Energy cannot be lost or destroyed.

It is impossible and it is a Tenet of our Physical Natural Laws.

As ALL MATTER IS COMPRISED UPON A QUANTUM LEVEL AS ENERGY.....THUS MATTER IS ENERGY....and since Energy cannot decay.....but it can be TRANSFORMED.....Entropy does NOT apply to Energy.

AboveAlpha

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So....I guess you think if you keep on posting it that it will make it a fact??

It is not.

AboveAlpha

 

Repeating a false claim, no matter how many times, does not make it true. And I don't have to provide an example of a decrease in entropy in a closed system to disprove your phony crap, I only have to show an example of a system with an entropy of zero, which I did already, multiple times.

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Again, chemistry is NOT random chance.
You lose!

 

If you had any intelligence you would understand that it is because the OIL is NOT WATER SOLUABLE that they seperate!!!

It does not matter if a substence is HEAVIER than water if it is WATER SOLUABLE....as it will DISOLVE IN WATER and thus not seperate!!!

WHY....do you CONSTANTLY make me have to make you look foolish??

TRY....educating yourself to realities and chemistry and physics....BEFORE...you post something that makes you look uneducated.

AboveAlpha

 

Your cells replicate themselves but over time the genetic algorithm accumulates errors from its environment. This is the process of aging. The cause of aging is essentially oxidation of DNA by the production of Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS) which is a byproduct of producing ATP, the cell's energy source. In other words living requires aging.

 

Perhaps not.

Geneticists working off shore and funded by VERY powerful and wealthy groups and individuals have supposedly been able to acheive an increase in Average Lifespan by 20%.

We know a LOT more about the Human Genome than what has been made public and such things as Genetic Engineered Cell Replication as well as Genetic Modification via Nano Tech. is a reality.

AboveAlpha

 

I didn't ask for your opinion but how could this occur by chance? No one can provide an answer.

 

The ANSWER is...it does NOT occur by chance.

It occurs because it must.

In the same manner that when an Electric Charge or UV Radiation encounters water or H20....it causes a CHEMICAL REACTION and the result is Hydrogen and Oxygen Gases!!

AboveAlpha

 

Yes, we've had a century of progress where the Christian notion of the Bible as a physics manual and God a a prime motivator lost ground massively.

It's hard for religion to change their perfect, omniscient God and His participation as fast as science has been able to investigate our universe.