This did not come about by chance...

There are currently several Hundred Labs attempting to achieve GENESIS and although quite a few have claimed success there is a long arduous process of verification they must first go through to be certified of achieving Genesis and currently out of several Hundred there are 8 out of 32 remaining that are still in the proccess of being certified.

The PROBLEMS with achieving PROVAVBLE GENESIS in the Lab are just as much about being able to achieve a ROCK SOLID IMPOSSIBLE TO DEBUNK system of methodology as far as being able to prove that a Lab and it's Team did not have already existing Bacteria or Microbes contaminating such an experiment.

It is DIFFICULT IN THE EXTREME....to introduce completely STERILE NATURALLY OCCURING SUBSTANCES into such an experiment as one certainly cannot state or provide adequate proof that Genesis was achieved unless the containment and materials are not first certified COMPLETELY VOID OF LIFE...before the experiment begins.

THAT...is what is difficult....not generating LIFE in a Lab....but being able to take the necessary precations that can be 100% PROVEN to be STERILE before achieving life.

From what I understand LIFE or GENESIS has already been achieved in a Lab many times but because the Experiments Criteria, Controls, Methodology and Construct have not been adequate for 100% CERTIFICATION OF STERILIZATION.....no one yet can lay claim to have achieving Genesis in the Lab.

AboveAlpha

 

BTW, I do not know if Alpha is attempting to debate with me on any issues, but you have been on my Ignore list for a looong time. I don't want to state why so as not to violate the Rules of the forum.

 

In the same way Ammino Acids are produced Naturally by CHEMICAL REACTION.

AboveAlpha

 

As you have been on mine for about a month....but the beauty is I still "View Post" often enough to gain the only thing you offer.....entertainment.

 

You know....in all the time I have been a member of this Forum I have NEVER placed another member on IGNORE.

Why?

Because I am a staunch supporter all all peoples RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH!!!

In the same way that I would not want anyone being able to either subdue or hinder by rights...I would never DREAM of attempting upon ANY LEVEL...and placing another member on IGNORE is on one of these levels....of subverting the Free Speech Ideology or presenting myself as a BAD EXAMPLE OR BAD ROLE MODEL....by continuing to argue and debate by beliefs, thoughts, knowledge or ideology....all the while knowing I have sunk so low as to thwart of GREAT FREEDOMS THE U.S. CONSTITUTION INSURES TO ALL AMERICAN'S....especially FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

And shutting down the ability of others to communicate with me upon a INTERNET POLITICAL FORUM....I feel is the Greatest Injustice a Person could do to Themselves!!!

If I did not want to read and be apart of others Political Ideological Beliefs then I could lock myself in my bedroom and not answer my doorbell!! LOL!!!

But placing another member on this Forum on IGNORE is like TRYING OUT FOR THE FOOTBALL TEAM WHILE WEARING A SIGN ON ONE'S BACK AND CHEST THAT SAY'S.....DON'T TACKLE OR BLOCK ME!! LOL!!!

Placing another member on IGNORE is EXACTLY like wanting to play FOOTBALL but ONLY wanting and demanding the right to be able to TACKLE OTHER PLAYERS....BUT DEMANDING THAT THEY NEVER TACKLE YOU!! LOL!!!

It is a CANDY A$$....LIMP WRIST....CAPRI PANTS....REFUSE TO GET SANDY AT THE BEACH.....CRY'S WHEN BEING SPLASHED WITH WATER IN THE POOL.....GET'S ANGRY AT THE OCEAN WHEN A WAVE KNOCKS THEM DOWN.....COMPLAINS ABOUT A HEADACHE AFTER MIXING BEER AND WINE.....WANT'S THEIR GIRLFRIEND TO WEAR A ONE PIECE WHEN TANNING.....WANT'S OTHERS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THEM WHEN THEY TALK BUT REFUSES TO AFFORD SUCH A COURTESY TO OTHERS....CAN'T STAND THE FACT THAT DESPITE ALL THEIR CLAIMS TO BE SMARTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE OTHERS CAN EASILY SEE THROUGH THEIR INABILITY TO COMPREHEND BASIC SCIENCE AND MATH.........

....AND ABOVE ALL..........WILL PICK UP THEIR BAT AND BALL AND GO HOME ANGRY......EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE ELSE IS ENJOYING THE GAME....BECAUSE...."IT'S MY BALL AND BAT SO YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT I WANT TO DO SO EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE ELSE ONLY GET'S 3 STRIKES.....I GET 6.....AND IF I DON'T GET TO HAVE 6 STRIKES THEN I AM GOING HOME AND THE GAME IS OVER BECAUSE IT'S MY BALL AND BAT!!!! WHAAAAAA!!!!

Thing is....I have a ball and bat too...and so does everyone else here.

AboveAlpha

 

Neither you nor science have an answer.

This remains an open question just like so many other questions that have not been answered.

Mankind has had unanswered questions ever since we became capable of asking questions. Religion has disdained "I don't know" ever since the beginning, preferring to claim these questions in the name of some god.

Over and over again, that answer has been shown to be nonsense. It's religious nonsense to continue with this idea that lack of human knowledge is a proof of the existence of some god.

 

guys, you really shouldn't be discussing scientic matters with Creationists.

they are motivated by religion and feel no need to understand the Theory of Evolution.

 

Evolution is not a theory, according to the scientific definition of theory, only by layman's terms can theory be used. Creation is not a theory either.

People claim they believe in evolution thus it is a religious belief. There are zero, none, nada scientific evidence that can elevate evolution to the scientific level of a theory.

 

You're not convincing anyone.

 

I posted multiple cases of speciation occurring under close scientific watch in post 708.

So, you can not make this claim that such evidence doesn't exist. In fact, it exists all over the place. It's so common and accepted as to be one of the strongest theories in science - so strong that it is one of the foundations of all modern biology.

For you to come on here with your "no evidence" claim is either a claim of gross ignorance along with a refusal to be informed or a blatant lie.

 

I swear...I actually think that Natural believes if he states this falacy enough that eventually it might become a fact!!

LOL!!!

A person can using...an Inexensive Microscope, Sugar Water, Bleach, Eye Dropper, Glass Slides and an afternoon of time SEE WITH THEIR OWN EYES....the Evolutionary Process happen.

It is NOT a Theory or a Belief.

Evolution is a REALITY.

AboveAlpha

 

His responses have risen to the point of being actual lies, as he has repeatedly claimed there to be no evidence. Regardless of whether he thinks the evidence is sufficient, it's clear that evidence does exist.

I wonder what his God says about unrepentant liars.

 

I know...it's pathetic.

AboveAlpha

 

All a person has to do is place a prepared Bacteria Glass Slide under a microscope...and these slides can be purchased at any Toy and Hobby Shot for less than $1.....and what you do is place one drop of Sugar Water on this slide and over a period of about 15 minutes you can watch under the microscope as the Bacteria grows.

After 10 Minutes place one drop of Beach on that Bacteria you have grown.

Look under the microscope and you will see that most of the bacteria has been killed but not all of it....so with a $3 Sample Tool you harvest any surviving the bleach bacteria...place it on a new glass slide.....then add a single drop of Sugar Water to the surviving Bacteria you harvested.

Wait about 20 minutes and look under the microscope and you will see you have regrown the bacteria.

Once again add a single drop of bleach to the glass slide and once again harvest the remaining bacteria not killed by the bleach.

Do this over and over again for several hours and you will begin to notice something.

You will notice that every time you repeat the process more and more Bacteria survive the additio of the drop of bleach.

This is NATURAL SELECTION, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST....AND CHEMICAL EXPOSURE DRIVEN MUTATION.

Keep doing this process enough times and eventually the vast majority of the Bacteria will no longer die when you add a drop of bleach to the glass slide.

THIS IS EVOLUTION HAPPENING BEFORE A PERSONS VERY EYES!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Life cannot occur in a sterile environment free of bacteria. All living entities are multispecies organisms which are mostly bacteria.

 

I would classify this as adaptation, unless the bacteria in your study becomes a new species of bacteria able to survive with bleach.

 

Adaptation IS evolution in a nutshell. Adaptation leads to mutation (along with a few other actors), and mutation along with adaptation lead to new species....the missing factor here is time.

To expect new species development in short timeframes (a couple thousand years) is to not understand how Evolution functions at all.

 

Okay when you put it that way, I have to agree with you.

 

Stop with the micro-evolution, adaptation, variation within the kind meme distortion. You know darn well evolution is NOT a jackass from a mule and horse.

Evolution is taught as a change of animal kind to another animal kind, e.g. a cow to a whale. This is why I don't believe you even understand the first ting about your religion of evolution.

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A two headed snake mutation is not evolution either.

 

Obviously, your opinions of both myself and Evolution are no longer even remotely important or worth considering beyond the limited entertainment value one would get watching a kitten play with a yarn ball. Both simply have a neat toy that they do not understand beyond "It's Fun". Until you somehow manage to develop an ability to use reason, or bother to read data and comprehend it....you are pretty much useless in actual discussion or debate.

 

How about if you use some reason here for a change.

First, since you seem to want to define evolution to fit your purposes, how about you reasonably define what you believe evolution to be.

Second how about you reasonably describe how you believe how all time, space and mater came into existence.

Then we can use your very own definitions to debate how flawed your religious beliefs are compared to science.

 

No thank you. How about instead I just say you win and avoid your contributions going forward....then we both get a more pleasant experience.

 

I'd run and hide too if I was you.

Peace