Big Bang ushers in the heavens and the earth...?

Well, after the stem cell research debate I'm surprised that not everyone knows the basic gist: that embryonic stem cells, what happens when the fertilized egg starts cell division, all that mass turns into all the different cell types in the body.

 

You know we no longer even need both a male and female to propagate the Human Species as all we need is a few cells from either a man or a woman....turn those into Stem Cells....turn those into a Human Egg Cell and a Sperm Cell....Fertilize the Egg Cell...implant it into an Artificial Womb...and...BAM!!!

Easy Peasy.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh, well I know that's technically possible now-a-days. I just don't know if it's actually being done in the field yet and available in fertility clinics.

 

It's been done off shore but not in the states.

The FDA has been dragging it's decision on allowing Artificial Wombs.

AA

 

Read "Subliminal, how the Unconscious mind rules us"


Mlodinow's own sinuous path has led to his latest book, Subliminal: How Your Unconscious Mind Rules Your Behavior. It delves into how the unconscious mind shapes our experiences of the world, for better or for worse. Everything we experience or choose -- from our political persuasions to how much we tip a waiter -- is predicated in large part by the subtle, unnoticeable perceptions and misperceptions that are part of our unconscious mental landscape. With great wit and intelligence, Mlodinow takes us on a sweeping tour of this landscape and the latest revelations in neuroscience.

 

Dave...this has nothing to do with how the Genome in every Human Cell directs it to be a Skin Cell or a Bone Cell or a Heart Cell...etc.

That is what you were talking about not how the Human Subconscious rules Human Behavior.

Human Consciousness or Subconsciousness has absolutely NOTHING to do with how Human Cells become specific types of cells as Wgabrie so acurately put it......"Well, after the stem cell research debate I'm surprised that not everyone knows the basic gist: that embryonic stem cells, what happens when the fertilized egg starts cell division, all that mass turns into all the different cell types in the body."...end quote Wagabrie.

AboveAlpha

 

Cupid Dave.... do you have specific ideas on how this would fit with the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research on visions of what people see being done by their "human spirit - soul" between the time of their last incarnation as a human with the plans for the upcoming lifetime?

http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html

 

Activist atheistfootinmouth or AaFIM disease. (Sometimes called Mad aAtheist Diease**)

** Mad aAtheist Disease. The lowercase a in aAthiest is simply a way for me to show the difference between a well liked atheist and an individual that makes it his lifes work to insult demean and harangue Christians Christianity and religion in general. I would tell them to go to hell but I am a christian dammit.

There is no evidence that correlates intelligence with diet, if both controls consume 'normal' diets. If there is a vitamin deficiency or other deficiencies of course the brain will be compromised. However such deficiencies occur in modern times as well as ancient times! I don't know where atheists source the truly false claims about creationists, since they conveniently (deception?) almost always leave that information out (never had it in the first place?). I can only assume they fabricate it as they babble those lies and fabrications. I believe the obvious fabrications with a straight face is unmistakable clear evidence that presents as symptoms of a virulent infection that is ravaging forums and causing activist atheists to wildly animate lies as truth in forums on a global scale! The scientific name of the virulent highly infective disease is titled; activist atheistfootinmouth or AaFIM disease. While not terminal this diease does strike normal atheists* into dumb or at the very least ignorant liars. * I say normal atheists meaning that most atheists are good intellectually active, moral people.

Lastly brace yourselves because a recent study reveals that AaFIM is nearly always paired with another more insidious and unbelievably hideous; ' Putting words in Christians mouth' syndrome, or PwiCMS. Christians everywhere should be on the look out for these diseases and more importantly the creature that harbors the larval stage of this infection. Trolls my friend trolls So if information is power activist atheists are supreme weaklings. power eh?

reva

 

What a load of pure do do ^. For one there is no agreement if the earth or even the universe is an closed or open system. Then the conclusions and or the references he makes does not make sense.

Anyway~

I will agree that the 2nd law is not a very good argument for ID'ers or creationists progressive or YE. I prefer Godel and Eisenstein proofs evidences and mathematical evidence after the big bang (actually Godel teases evidence outside times march in the direction of an arrow. so). I prefer Craig and Koons work for what happened (or outside time) before the big bang banged. Btw where is your link to the printed material you posted? I want to go over the printed material . If I missed it please direct me to it, to the exact paragraph would be the best way.

reva

 

I have check her work out on those sites, (maybe after you recommended it months ago), and found what she said to support this same idea offered by the IMR studies and the research I recommended above.Here studies give us evidence that we are yet to discover just who we really are, beyond the slate board of the Conscious mind recollections we now think is "us."
We seem to be strangers to ourselves who have used zero time, except when praying, maybe, to even wonder about how we think and what drives our lives everyday.

Since Consciousness is actual just a State-of-Mind, on which arose from the roots of a Reaction-to-Fear, (Pro 2:5), we really only know what we have discovered and written down and studied since we were born.
The whole reality we have experienced as humans has largely been ignored and even dismissed.

Scripture seems to be telling us that a great new day of the Lord is coming, (meaning the day when Truth inside becomes Conscious to us).


"For just as the Father raises the dead (who rest in the human gene pool) and gives them life (again), even so, (The Unconscious mind), the Son, (yet unknown directly, but the next adaptation essential to our evolution: [Gen 9:11]), also gives life to (the next species to evolve), whom He wishes.
For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to (the Unconscious mind of their psyche), the Son, so that all will honor the Son (through the altruistic love of others) even as they honor the Father (in the love for God).
He who does not honor (the Unconscious mind within his psyche), the Son, does not honor the Father (imaged in his mind: [Gen 1:26-7]) who sent Him." - John 5:21-23

 

Okay, thanks for the info~!

I'm sorry I made you spend 2 hours of your time digging that up.

 

You seem to have sources you recognize which aid you in believing Genesis in the way your own reading comprehension understands it.

This is good, that you accept the scriptures and read on, meeting Christ in the New Testament and becoming a believer, yourself.
But I question WHY you oppose science people who ought be led to see that their own studies ALSO support Genesis, ... if they read comprehensively, too.

This would promote Genesis as also supported by Science by these other readers, even though both of you come to scripture from two different paths.


For these readers, it is true that:

Gen 1:1 says a Big Bang beginning did happen.
Gen 1:2 says the formless disk of rocks rotation the Sun was void of global shape, which was true.
Gen 1:3-5 says the Dark Cosmic Age existed before there was any light in the Universe.
Gen 1:6-8 describes the forming of an atmosphere above and waters below.
Gen 1:9-10 describes "all the waters under heaven gathered together into one place," which was a Pangea-like truth.
Gen 1:11-13 explains that the Plant Kingdom came before the Animal Kingdom, which was true.
Gen 1:14-19 tells us that God assigned the Sun and Moon and Stars to keep time on Earth. ("made" in Hebrew means "assigned.")
Gen 1:20-31 explains about the animals and finally, man, made to image "Reality," mentally, in the form of Truth inside his mind.

Chapters 4, 5, and 10 explain the correspondences of the Genealogy with the species of Paleontology:






... see my point here??

 

The reasons are well known, and you are not citing them. One reason is that academia is still grounded in philosophical materialism, and looking outside of that is woo woo. It is dismissed. The other reason is, how is money to be made in the private sector from morphic resonance and fields?

The human genome project drew in vast sums of money, as investments, from the private sector. WHY? Because it was thought unheard of sums of profits could be realized from that. But the disappointment still remains in those that invested great sums, in order to create even more income for themselves. For it was discovered that using a tape measure and family members could determine height of the new additions, much better than depending upon the genes to yield those results.

Reality is a reality that involves fields. Yet the biological sciences are still grounded in philosophical materialism, and that is the real problem here. I personally think that sooner or later biology will have to embrace morphic fields, for otherwise, they will never have a better understanding of what drives form. They will eventually tire of writing promissory notes, waiting on someone to discover how the genes create form. And that indeed biology does rely upon fields, organizing fields. This will of course change the current understanding when it comes to evolution which today is indeed purely materialistic in nature. And as Sheldrake believes, it will set science free, to once again be open, instead of self limiting by a belief system of philosophical materialism.

 

Really? No agreement that Earth is an open system? Ever heard of the so called "Sun"? Providing the Earth with energy.. lol

Earth is an open system, period. So there is no violation of thermodynamic laws when entropy decreases (order increases) on Earth.

 

Rev....printed material?

Please elaborate as my mind is on my leaving for the Hot and Sandy as I have been packing and I am not sure what you are asking me for...OK?

This post of mine is the Court Transcripts involving Testimony of Dr. Harold Morowitz, Professor of Biophysics, Yale University which another member here was using Dr. Morowitz's words and work in a manner that was out of SCIENTIFIC CONTEXT as this member was using it to say it backed Creationism....it doesn't.

Earth IS an Open System and thus the 2nd Rule of Therodynamics cannot apply.

AboveAlpha

 

Morphic Fields is Psedoscientific Nonsense.

If something shows a tiny bit of evidence for possibly being a reality then it should get fair attention but in this case there is absolutely ZERO EVIDENCE that Morphic Fields Exist......ZERO!!!!

Right now I could say....HEY EVERYONE!!!! I say there is this CANDYCANE STRIPED FAIRY who throws PIXY DUST at Prengant Women and THAT is why a Fertilized Egg Cell grow up into a Fetus and is birthed as a Baby!!!!!!

The thing is that the the concept that Candycane Striped Pixy Dust Throwing Fairies HAS THE EXACT SAME PERCENTAGE OF POSSIBILITY OF EXISTENCE AS MORPHIC FIELDS!!!!

AboveAlpha

 

That the universes is accelerating as every galaxy is moving away from every other galaxy, the question bothers me.
If all mass is still speeding up, like it was shot from a great giant cannon, then while mass was inside the cannon, (a closed situation), then the gun powder would be the cause of the increased velocities.

This would also help explain Dark Energy at work, too.

Do you have any source that supports the cosmos as "open?"

 

You cannot compare the acceleration of all Galaxies in the Universe out and away from the central point of the Big Bang origination of the White Hole like a cannon's gunpowder detonating and shooting out a cannon ball.

It is not even close to an analogy.

Understand this first.

The amout of visible or detectable by standard means matter in Galaxies.....is NOT enough matter to generate the necessary degree of WARPING OF SPACE-TIME in a One Dimensional fashion....ie......GRAVITY.....to be able to hold the Stars, Planets and other Celestial Bodies and Objects orbiting a Spiral Galaxies center BLACK HOLE!!!

Basically the amount of Gravitation generated by all Celestial Objects as well as Nebulas....etc....within and orbiting a Galactic Center is much too little gravitational effect to hold most Celestial Objects and Matter around a Galactic Center Black Hole thus WITHOUT THE EXISTENCE OF DARK MATTER AND DARK ENERGY th Celestial Bodies and Objects in a Galaxy such as Stars, Planets, Moons...etc.....WHOULD JUST FLY OFF INTO SPACE INSTEAD OF ORBITING AROUND A GALACTIC CENTER!!!!!

It turns out that roughly 68% of the Universe is DANK ENERGY. DARK MATTER makes up about 27%. The rest of the Universe such as Earth....all Planets, Statrs...Moons...Nebula....etc....EVERYTHING EVER OBSERVED with our eyes or with all of our instruments, all normal matter ADDS UP TO LESS THAN 5% OF THE UNIVERSE!!

We have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE AS TO WHAT DARK ENERGY AND DARK MATTER ARE......BUT.....we know what the effects are.

All the roughly 200 Billion Galaxies existing in the Universe are distributed along DARK MATTER FILIMENTS.

Galaxies come in many forms and sizes as Our Milky Way Galaxy is a SPIRAL GALAXY which means the approx. 200 to 250 Billion existing Stars in our Milky Way Galaxy and an estimated 40% to 45% of those 200 Billion Stars have planetary systems.

So if we use the lower numbers of 40% of 200 Billion that's 80 Billion Stars and if we use an average of only 6 Major planets per star we are talking 480 Billion Major Planets and as there are over 140 Moons in our Solar System.....even if we use 100 Moons per 80 Billion Stars we are talking about 80 TRILLION MOONS!!!

Beyond Neptune’s orbital path lie trans-Neptunian formations made of ice water, ammonia, and methane. Ceres, Pluto, Haumea, Makemake, and Eris rotate using their own gravity like the other planets, however, for this reason, the scientific community has called these “DWARF PLANETS.”

Point is THIS IS THE NUMBERS IN JUST ONE.....ONE.....ONE GALAXY!!!!!

And even when we multiply this times the approx existing 200 BILLION OTHER GALAXIES EXISTING IN THE UNIVERSE IT STILL ONLY ADDS UP TO LESS THAN 5% WITH THE REMAINING OVER 95% OF THE UNIVERSE BEING DARK ENERGY AND DARK MATTER!!!!

NEVERMIND the FACT that QUANTUM MECHANICS gives us ENORMOUS EVIDENCE that our Universe is but just ONE SINGLE EXISTING UNIVERSE OF AN INFINITE IN NUMBER AMOUNT OF DIVERGENT ALTERNATE UNIVERSAL STATES OF REALITY.

But even still we are not done yet.

All those Infinite in Number Divergent Universal States of Reality of which OUR UNIVERSE is but one of them....well all of them and ours EXISTS ONLY IN ONE OF AN INFINITE IN NUMBER EXISTING BASELINE REALITY UNIVERSAL GROUPING.

Think of it this way.

Our Universe is a BRANCH ON A TREE.

The TREE has INFINITE NUMBERS OF BRANCHES.

Each BRANCH on that TREE is a DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL REALITY.

That TREE exists as a BASELINE UNIVERSAL REALITY GROUPING.

That TREE is BUT ONE TREE IN A FOREST OF INFINITE IN NUMBER TREES!!!

That TREE represents A SINGLE BASELINE UNIVERSAL GROUPING CONTAINING AN INFINITE NUMBER OF DIVERGENT ALTERNATE UNIVERSES ALL WITH THE EXACT SAME SET OF PHYSICS AND NATURAL LAWS.

All the other TREES in this FOREST as well also have INFINITE IN NUMBER BRANCHES with each BRANCH representing a UNIVERSE.

But in this INFINITE FOREST....each TREE with it's INFINITE IN NUMBER BRANCHES or UNIVERSES....each TREE represents A SINGLE BASELINE UNIVERSAL GROUPING with it's own INFINITE IN NUMBER DIVERGENT ALTERNATE UNIVERSES ALL WITH THE EXACT SAME SET OF PHYSICS AND NATURAL LAWS of their own and these Physical and Natural Laws ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE PHYSICS AND NATURAL LAWS of any and all the OTHER TREES AND THEIR BRANCHS....ie....completely different sets of Physical and Natural Laws from those existing in the Universes in other Baseline Universal Groupings...or TREES.


THE FOREST OF INFINITE IN NUMBER TREES.....represents the MULTIVERSE.

So....Dave.....when you ask if anyone has any source that supports the cosmos as "open?".......those SOURCES exists with us and are a part of us and everything we do.

Examples.....FREQUENCY.

As you and most people know if you are driving in your car and want to listen to a specific Radio Channel you tune your car radio to say......107.3 FM.

Throughout the world, the FM broadcast band falls within the VHF part of the radio spectrum. Usually 87.5 to 108.0 MHz is used or some portion thereof, with few exceptions:

VHF stand for VERY HIGH FREQUENCY. UHF stands for ULTRA HIGH FREQUENCY.

HHz stands for Megahertz.

Frequency modulation is a form of modulation which conveys information over a carrier wave by varying its frequency (contrast this with amplitude modulation, in which the amplitude of the carrier is varied while its frequency remains constant). In analog applications, the instantaneous frequency of the carrier is directly proportional to the instantaneous value of the input signal. This form of modulation is commonly used in the FM broadcast band.

In the United States, digital radio services are deployed within the FM band rather than using Eureka 147 or the Japanese standard ISDB. This in-band on-channel approach, as do all digital radio techniques, makes use of advanced compressed audio.

ANYWAYS....why am I going on about aspects of Radio Frequency?

So I can explain to you that the Radio Waves that you can tune in to listen to your favorite station or the Radio Waves that allow those with a Digital Antena allow them to watch TV without paying for Cable or the HARD LINE TELEPHONE WIRES that allow a person to recieve and make a PHONE CALL....or a persons CELL PHONE OR SATELLITE PHONE....or a person heating up dinner in their MICROWAVE OVEN......or how a COP can aim a LASER BEAM at an oncoming car to see how fast it is going so the SOB can give you a ticket for SPPEDING......well all this is done simply by either BROADCAST OR CONCUTIVITY OF QUANTUM PARTICLE/WAVE FORMS SUCH AS....................ELECTRONS AND PHOTONS.

BOTH Electrons and Photons have specific aspects, properties and uses dependent upon WHERE THEY FALL ALONG THE ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM.

Here is a LINK....for those who want to learn more...LINK....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

Now the Earth.....or Solar System....or Galaxy....and our Universe are ALL OPEN SYSTEMS!!!!

THEY HAVE TO BE!!!!

If they were not open systems THE PHYSICAL NATURAL LAWS OF OUR UNIVERSE WOULD NOT WORK!!!

If they were not open systems....THE EARTH, ALL LIFE ON IT, AND OUR VERY UNIVERSE COULD NOT EXIST!!

Example.......

Quantum Evolution is defined as how the Natural Physical Laws of our Universe over time arrange and develop all the Quantum Particle/Wave Forms that were ejected from the White Hole causing what we call the BIG BANG which caused these Particle/Wave Forms to shoot out from this REVERSE SINGULARITY and as such Quanta shot out it developed SPACE-TIME which in turn develop NATURAL LAWS OF PHYSICS.

As such Quanta existing in a Super Excited State cooled Hydrogen developed and existed as H2 Plasma.

The Higgs-Fields generated by the Higgs Bosons that are a part of all Hadrons...ie....Protons but not yet Neutrons until the Higgs-Field which gives PROTONS THE ABILITY TO HAVE MASS allowed this Mass to generate GRAVITY.....as well as additional GRAVITY being generated by existing DARK MATTER AND DARK ENERGY.

As Gravitational Effect that is the Warping of Space-Time in a One Dimensional Fashion occurred when large amounts of H2 gathered via Gravity and these amounts of H2 Mass along with any additional Dark Matter and Dark Energy Filiment Mass caused a Space-Time Warpeture great enough to create enough Gravitic Compression sufficient to generate FUSION OF HYDROGEN INTO HELIUM......A STAR WAS BORN!!!

Again...the points are.....in what I just posted THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES SHOWING THAT OUR UNIVERSE IS NOT A CLOSED SYSTEM!!!!

Examples.......

The White Hole Reverse Singularity that when it ejected Quantum Particle/Wave Froms GENERATED THE BIG BANG AND OUR EXPANDING UNIVERSE.....as every White Hole is connected to a BLACK HOLE existing in another Alternate Divergent Universal State of Reality.

FREQUENCY....as in a Photon Wave Packet where the Photon as Quanta exists as BOTH PARTICLE AND WAVE.....within the WAVE LENGTH AND wave packet.....the Photon as a Particle EXISTS AT ALL POITS OF POSITION ALONG THE WAVE LENGTH thus as per Quantum Mechanics.....EXISTS IN A STATE OF SUPERPOSITION that must take into account OTHER ALTERNATE DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATES OF REALITY....besides our own.

Same thing for Electrons whether in Electron Orbital Fields around an Atomic Neucleus or as Radio Waves.

I could continue but I think this is enough for now.

AboveAlpha

 

Wow!

I have got to e-mail this to my former pastor from my days back in the Worldwide Church of God.

He is the author of this and eight other titles:

http://www.amazon.com/God-Evolution-Implications-Darwins-Fundamentalism/dp/0977604446

God and Evolution? - The Implications of Darwin's Theory for Fundamentalism, the Bible and the Meaning of Life by Daniel J. Samson.

This could well help to inspire book number ten or eleven or.......

 

Zero is what you get when academia calls it woo woo, and you cannot get funding to research it. This is a problem with academia, the entrenched philosophical materialism, as Sheldrake and others have pointed out for 30 years. The attitude has been to write promissory notes, that a materialistic solution to morphology will be discovered in the genetics, and so there is absolutely no need to look into morphic fields and resonance. That is the fact of the matter, end of story. And it's not like this isn't a well known fact, but the circles you inhabit is ignorant of it.

But since genes do not dictate form, eventually, they will have to suffer a paradigm shift, as physics did, back when science was much more open to new ideas, and did not self limit, as biology does perpetually due to philosophical materialism and biology,

 

Acadamia has nothing to do with whether or not you get funding for R&D!!!!

EVIDENCE AND EMPERICAL DATA.....is what get's FUNDING!!!

I don't care if every Medical College on Planet Earth and every Professor in them all said..." THE CRUSHED PETALS OF A BLACK ORCHID JOE SHMOE FOUND DEEP IN THE AMAZON DOES NOT CURE CANCER!!"

If Joe Shmoe makes an appointment with a large International Pharmecutical Company claiming he has evidence and proof in the forms of EMPIRICAL DATA.....and this Pharmacutical Company checks his data...and agrees the data is viable evidence.....JOE SHMOE IS GOING TO GET MULTILE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FUNDING!!!

If Sheldrake had even the tiniest amount of Empirical Data that would back his claims.....HE WOULD BE FUNDED AS WELL!!!

But he doesn't have any empirical data...he has no evidence...no proof.....nothing!!!

AboveAlpha

 

I heard something that might blow this thread out of the water. I heard recently that the Big Bang might not have happened after all: The Universe has always existed based on new evidence !

Now, I have my doubts about the new idea, like why is there a limit to the visible universe if it's been around forever?

But then I looked at the age of the Universe:

... and compared it to the size of the observable universe:

And I realized that the size of the observable universe indicates a much older system, based on light covering a year of distance it gives a 46.5 Billion light year radius. I don't know why no one has picked up on this little abnormality until now.

 

Wga...read ALL OF THIS.

The age of the Universe is estimated to be 13.798 ± 0.037 billion years.[11] Over its history, the Universe and its contents have evolved; for example, the relative population of quasars and galaxies has changed and space itself has expanded. This expansion accounts for how it is that scientists on Earth can observe the light from a galaxy 30 billion light years away, even if that light has traveled for only 13 billion years; the very space between them has expanded, and that is one of the tools used to calculate the age of the Universe. This expansion is consistent with the observation that the light from distant galaxies has been redshifted; the photons emitted have been stretched to longer wavelengths and lower frequency during their journey. The rate of this spatial expansion is accelerating, based on studies of Type Ia supernovae.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh, duh! I didn't take into account the expansion of the universe.

 

Yep.

Not only are all Galaxies accelerating away from the Big Bangs central point.....the Space-Time is expanding as well.

AboveAlpha