Big Bang ushers in the heavens and the earth...?

Morphic resonance? I just called the psychic hotline and they don't know a thing about it.

Inherited memory is called instinct by most biologists.

Parapsychology is pseudo-science, best applied in fictional entertainment.

Is it just me or is Sheldrake et.al. simply espousing a more sophisticated (tho no more effective) god of the gaps argument?

 

Au contraire, I support science and progress. I don't accept myths.

No proof whatsoever has been provided. That alone tells me you know little about
science and what it's about.

I don't change the subject because I don't have to.

Evolution is an accepted theory of biodiversity. While we still have gaps in our knowledge
of every single unanswered question, the theory itself is sound and has been tested over
and over again by thousands of scientists.[/quote]
Being an accept theory doesn't make it a fact. The theory hasn't been tested over
and over because it can't. The reason being the holes and lack of evidence. All they
can do is extrapolate and provide artistic renderings (drawing) they believe might
have happen. In other words they have to make up what they don't know in order to
make their theory work.

This is the first time you've been right on this topic. By the way, I've never asked for
absolute proof. In fact, I've never asked for proof.

 

Enough of your this and that. If genetics could successfully explain morphology, particularly embryonic development, then he wouldn’t have a case to begin with. He says that experts in genetics and embryology admit that they don’t know what determines the format of differentiation.

If our limbs and organs all have the same genetic information, then what determines the derivation of their uniqueness? Apparently hard science has not found signals/secretions that guide the stages of development; else he would be out of business.

Maybe I would if had access to the actual dialogue.

Do you have real insight on this matter, maybe involving quantum mechanics? There seems to be a link between QM, consciousness, evolutionary choice, and creativity: Creative Transformation, Chapter 5 (The New Synthesis). EPR (EPRB) paradox, the quantum connection, etc. www.see.org/garcia/e-ct-5.htm #59

As an aside, www.see.org/garcia/pubs.htm appears to be one helluva gold mine.

We don’t have one freakin’ tiny bit of evidence for what energy is, yet we recognize what it does.

At this point there is only his description of efforts by others, such as when the dumbest rats were selected to rule out counterclaims of inherited smarts. Tracking down the described experiments is problematic.

 

A fact is something which is true.

 

Have Genetics explain what eactly?

You said explain morphology but in what context are you talking about?

As far as why is it that if every cell in the Human Body has a complete Human Genome why do certain cells become a Hand and others become a foot?

Well actually you have to go deeper and ask why do certain cells become BONE CELLS and why do certain cells become SKIN CELLS....etc?

BECAUSE THEY ARE PROGRAMMED TO!!!!

We have STEM CELLS which can become any cell and our Genome is a Molecular/Atomic Program that is driven by basic Biology.

It's not a secret and it sure as HELL is not hard to understand.

I know a great deal about QM.

Not as much as I wish...but way more than 99.99999999% of the Human Population.

AboveAlpha

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No Dave...it's not.

A Religious Person who thinks what is written in the Bible is TRUE....is correct.

A Religious Person who thinks what is written in the Bible are FACTS....is crazy.

AboveAlpha

 

How do we "inherit memories" unless we have been here before???

Instinct is direct EVIDENCE that we are "born again."
We DO come back in the future, when the world will at some point have been changed because we learned to live as Christ taught us.

 

dictionary:
fact
A fact is an item of knowledge or information that is true.

 

Fact and truth are not two different things by the way; they're one of the same. Truth is fact and fact is truth....

I believe in a primordial power- I'm a deist. Seems strange to me that people prayed at Auschwitz to save them- yet nothing happened and they were gassed. Or kids have SIDS, or die of Leukemia at 5 years old. Their prayers aren't answered. Yet so many have said they've seen the bright light at the end of the tunnel, many great scientists.

 

Right.

So the newly hatched sea turtle scuttling towards the sea has done it before?
The spider can build a web because it has done it before?

Your criteria for evidence is ridiculous.

 

They were prophesied to experience the Holocaust and prayers would not be answered when the writings themselves were long available to those Jews:

Rev. 11:7 And when they, (the two candlesticks; the House of Jacob and the House of Judah), shall have finished their testimony (against their own messiah ben Joseph, and changed their written texts in he Talmud so as to remove the name of Jesus and their direct protests against him), the (seven headed) beast (of Western civilization) that (had) ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (in The Renaissance) shall make (secular) war against them, (these Jews of the diaspora), and shall overcome them (in 1942), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities).

Rev. 11:8 And, (the House of Jacob and the house of Judah), their dead bodies shall lie in the street (of Nazi Paganism) of the great city (which is the tenth horn of Western Civilization), which spiritually (in its philosophical outlook) is called Sodom, (a place practicing pagan sexual license and libidinal excess, one to be destroyed by fire) and (that ancient place of Jew trust in the shadow of) Egypt, (the time of their confusion: [Isa. 30:2-3]: Egypt, the land of both their beloved Joseph and also, their slavery), where, (in their blindness of scriptural truth) also our Lord was crucified (among them in 32 AD).

Rev. 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations (of the 1260 years of the Jewish dispersion among them, the Diaspora), shall not see their dead bodies to be put in graves (but in Concentration Camps) three days (of years) and an half, (i.e.; 1942-1945), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities)

Rev. 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth, (in Nazi Western Europe), shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send (supposed Christian seasonal) gifts one to another, (like the skin of Jews for lampshades, etc); because these two prophets, (the House of Jacob and the house of Judah, the two candlesticks: [Rev 11:4]), tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Rev. 11:11 And after (the Holocaust), three and an half days (of years, 1942-1945), the Spirit of life from God entered into them, (the House of Jacob and the House of Judah: [Rev 11:4]), and they stood upon their feet (in the land Promised); and great fear fell upon them (in Islam) which saw them, (the prophecy of the Fig Tree, blooming was fulfilled: [Matt 24:32).

Rev. 11:12 And (the survivors), they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither (where all Nations can see). And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud (of history); and their enemies (especially in Palestinia) beheld them.

Rev. 11:13 And the same hour was there a great "earthquake," (i.e.; Israeli Statehood!!), and the tenth part of the city, (the Promised Land), fell (to the returning Jews), and in the "earthquake" (of their in-gathering) were slain of (muslim) men, seven thousand: and the remnant (Islamic armies) were affrighted, and (all the Judaeo-Christian world) gave glory to the God of heaven (that prophecy had been fulfilled).


REMEMBER THAT REVELATION IS A CONTINUATION OF JEWISH APOCALYPSE.

 

"Programmed" is genetics,... right?

The genetics "remembers" what each part of the 12 systems of the human body will do.
And, as well genes know how to manufacture those parts.
Memory of our construction and metabolism, even the programming of how to act human is locked in the genetic code that we each came from.

All this info is locked inside our Unconscious mind which ultimately rule our behavior.
And that mind comes back, again and again, recreating us from the dead to the living, absent the CONSCIOUS memory of the Unconscious mind.

 

You are severely lacking in knowledge of Genetics and Biology and Human Anatomy.

There is no....CONSCIOUSNESS to the development, growth, repair and aging of the Human Body.

It is all CHEMICAL REACTION.

You don't understand this at all.

AboveAlpha

 

Saying that it is fantasy is just an opinion, for there hasn't been the research into this that is warranted. Now why is it so hard to get funding for such research? Because they would rather write promissory notes that one day a materialistic solution and understanding will be discovered. They have only been looking for it since Crick and company discovered the double helix of dna. The materialism of science is self limiting, which is an insult to science, but an affirmation of just what a strangle hold materialism has upon science. Which is one of the points made by Sheldrake.

Can you imagine such a stance being taken by physicists when particular physicists were trying to understand the quantum level? What if they had been so sold on materialistic Newtonian physics as to refuse to look past it? What if those early physicists were called creators of fairy tales with their spooky quantum mechanics, and were unable to get funding for the research they needed to do? And this is exactly what indeed has happened in biology, as there are more biologists than Sheldrake who are now considered heretics, with their books worthy of being burned on the altar of the Church of Materialism.

Do you know why morphogenetic fields and resonance has been called woo woo? I will give you a hint. This would introduce something into biology that was not pure materialism. And if they do exist, this would rewrite the current beliefs about evolution, and lots of biologists are vested in that, and it is even a great part of their own self image and perceived worth in that field. So, a human element permeates it. And as Sheldrake said in that video, this idea predates him, and goes back to another biologist in the 1920s. But biologists demand an answer that is within the realm of the materialistic paradigm, for they have self limited the science by holding onto BELIEFS.

My money says eventually biologists will have to consider something outside of materialism. For they will not find what determines form in the genes. But no telling how much money in funding will be spent until they are forced to move outside of materialism in the same way the physicists had to do when it came to matter at the quantum level. For when they discovered that there are no solids at the quantum level, but energy, fields and information, they moved outside of materialism, and didn't suffer anxiety attacks the way biologists would do if they discovered materialism is incapable of explaining all that biology entails. And my money says there are fields responsible for things in biology that is not acceptable today, but sooner or later they will be forced into looking in this direction, instead of dismissing it as fairy tales and woo woo.

 

You may be the one severely lacking in knowledge, for you have self limited yourself to this small box.

The placebo effect is evidence that consciousness does indeed have an effect upon the human body. In fact, when it came to some of these new antidepressants, the placebo was more effective than Prozac at treating depression. The placebo effect accounts for generally around 30 percent, but for Prozac it was better at yielding positive results than the drug itself.

So, just THINkING you are taking a drug that will treat your condition, amazing works to treat the condition in 30 percent of the test cases.

 

Since we veered off into evolution in this big bang thread....

The math doesn’t look good for the atheists. Dr. Robert L. Piccioni, Ph.D., Physics from Stanford says that the odds of 3 billion randomly arranged base-pairs matching human DNA is about the same as drawing the ace of spades one billion times in a row from randomly shuffled decks of cards. Harold Morowitz, a renowned physicist from Yale University and author of Origin of Cellular Life (1993), declared that the odds for any kind of spontaneous generation of life from a combination of the standard life building blocks is one chance in 10E100000000000 (you read that right, that’s 1 followed by 100,000,000,000 zeros). Famed British Royal Astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle, proposed that such odds were one chance in 10E40000, or roughly “the same as the probability that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard could assemble a 747.” By the way, scientists generally set their “Impossibility Standard” at one chance in 10E50 (1 in a 100,000 billion, billion, billion, billion, billion). So, the likelihood that life formed via combinatorial chemical evolution (the only theory that scientists really have) is, for all intents and purposes, zero.

Atkins, Dawkins, and other secular humanists insist that materialism and naturalism are pre-supposed and that there is no argument for the introduction of the logic of intelligence into science. That sounds to me to be pretty closed minded, and closes the door a priori on certain avenues of inquiry. Imagine if that mentality were applied to string theory, a theory which has no experimental evidence to start with. One has to wonder why science is so illogically selective with respect to the disciplines that it accepts into its closed little world

 

If it is known how they become programmed, and what is the means of the program that makes it work, then Sheldrake's ideas can be justifiably dismissed. Since we have not seen anything but hollow dismissal, that justification must be lacking. Otherwise, let's have at the secret.

 

They can't get MONEY for research because they cannot present any evidence what they intend to research EXISTS!!!

Basically it is like you or me asking either the Feds or a Private Company...."Hey....do you think you could spare $10 Million to allow me to research HARRY POTTERS MAGIC WAND that I bought from a Hollywood Auction House?"

The Feds or the Private Company askes..."Do you have any proof or data that can show us that this WAND has any actual Magic Powers?"

You say...."Well....there is a BOOK and a MOVIE that details how a young boy named Harry Potter used this exact wand to perform all sorts of miraculous feats of magic!!"

The Feds or the Private Company say's...."You freakin' kidding us...right?"

You say....."No....I am not kidding as I am sure this wand holds Magical Powers!!"

The Feds or Private Company say's....."SHOW US SOME EVIDENCE!!"

You say...."Well I can show you the BOOK and the MOVIE."

The Feds and the Private Company say...."Either you have some concrete evidence in the form of IMPERICAL DATA that this wand has MAGICAL POWER OR YOU DON'T so which is it??"

You say...."Well our data is not per say concrete imperical evidence as such a thing is too confined to too small of a box and our data transends reality."

The Feds and the Private Company people begin to...laugh....and Laugh....and LAUGH....and they then say..."GET A FREAKIN' LIFE!!"...as they slam the door in your face!! LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

The PLACEBO EFFECT results when a person takes a sugar pill when they are told that pill is a DRUG that will ease their pain or symptoms.

If a person is told that the Placebo is a drug and that this drug is experimental and may or may NOT help them....that person will not feel better.

It is ONLY when a person is MENTALLY PREPARED by the people giving them the placebo that they will believe the pill worked as first that person must be TOLD that the pill is a drug that they are taking WILL WORK and their pain and symptoms will decrease....and what happens is if a persons MENTALLY BELIEVES THIS....there will be a release of ENDOPHINS which relieve PAIN AND SYMPTOMS.

Thinking the pain away? Study shows the brain's painkillers may cause 'placebo effect'
Sham painkiller prompts brain to release endorphins, bringing real relief to those in pain

University of Michigan Health System

ANN ARBOR, Mich. -- Just thinking that a medicine will relieve pain is enough to prompt the brain to release its own natural painkillers, and soothe painful sensations, a new University of Michigan study finds.
The study provides the first direct evidence that the brain's own pain-fighting chemicals, called endorphins, play a role in the phenomenon known as the placebo effect -- and that this response corresponds with a reduction in feelings of pain.

Previous studies at U-M and elsewhere have shown that the brain reacts physically when a person is given a sham pain treatment, which they believe will help them.

But the new study is the first to pinpoint a specific brain chemistry mechanism for a pain-related placebo effect. It may help explain why so many people say they get relief from therapies and remedies with no actual physical benefit. And, it may lead to better use of cognitive, or psychological, therapy for people with chronic pain.

The results will be published in the August 24 issue of the Journal of Neuroscience by a team from the U-M Molecular and Behavioral Neurosciences Institute (MBNI). The research was funded by the National Institutes of Health.

"This deals another serious blow to the idea that the placebo effect is a purely psychological, not physical, phenomenon," says lead author Jon-Kar Zubieta, M.D., Ph.D., associate professor of psychiatry and radiology at the U-M Medical School and associate research scientist at MBNI. "We were able to see that the endorphin system was activated in pain-related areas of the brain, and that activity increased when someone was told they were receiving a medicine to ease their pain. They then reported feeling less pain. The mind-body connection is quite clear."

LINK....http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-08/uomh-ttp081805.php

Thus this PROOF totally and completely proves that the PLACEBO EFFECT occurs mostly because of CHEMICAL RELEASES AND CHEMICAL REACTIONS IN THE HUMAN BODY.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh....one last thing.....if I were you....I would hold off posting that I am the one who is in your words and I quote......"severely lacking in knowledge."....end quote One Mind.....as over and over again I continue to...................BLOW YOUR ARGUMENTS OUT OF THE WATER....with very little effort.

AboveAlpha

 

There is no secret.

It is but SIMPLE CHEMICAL REACTIONS.

Basic Chemistry 101.

No mystery whatsoever.

I URGE you to take a bit of time and read up on this so as to educate yourself as I believe YOU at least want to educate yourself and LEARN about these things unlike some OTHERS here who are perfectly willing to dwell in darkness and ignorance.

AboveAlpha

 

Let me show YOU and everyone else just how misplaced your use of this argument is.

COURT TRANSCRIPTS.
McLean v. Arkansas Documentation Project

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Testimony of Dr. Harold Morowitz, Professor of Biophysics, Yale University (Plaintiffs Witness) - transcript paragraph formatted version.
Direct Examination by Mr. Novik Page 494/8

Cross Examination by Mr. Childs Page 577/6



Q: Now, I believe you testified that creation science misstates the second law of thermodynamics. Is that so?

A: Yes.

Q: Can you give an example of the way they do that?

A: Yes. In Morris' book Scientific Creationism, and if I can look at a copy of that book, I can give you more exact references.

MR. NOVIK: Your Honor, the witness is referring to the public school edition of Scientific Creationism, which has previously been identified by plaintiffs as Exhibit 75 and admitted into evidence.

THE COURT: All right.

A: If we look at page 23 of this book-I should state at the outset that this book is by Henry M. Morris, who is the director of the Institute for Creation Research. This is a very well accepted book within the creationism community and among the scientific creationists. In this book, Morris, on page 22, states that law of energy decay, the second law of thermodynamics, tells us that energy continually perceives to lower levels of utility.


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A: (Continuing) He continues in that vein in discussing the second law, he picks up again on this discussion on page 38. On page 38 he quotes a number of people, a number of rather well known physicists, with such statements as, "In any physical change that takes place by itself, the entropy always increases-

Q: Excuse me. You're reading at the very bottom of that page, is that right?

A: The bottom of page 38. And I should point out that entropy is the measure of the molecular disorder of a system. It's a mathematical measure of that disorder. In another quotation he states. "As far as we know, all changes are in the direction of increasing entropy, of increasing disorder, of increasing randomness of running down."

In that entire discussion, the entire original discussion of the second law of thermodynamics as applied to living systems, the limitation of the second law to closed systems is not made, nor is it pointed out that the surface of the earth where life arose is not a closed system, but an open system.

Q: Does the book ever recognize the distinction between an open and an isolated system?

A: Yes. On page 40, the statement occurs that the


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A: (Continuing) second law, speaking about ordering, he says, "The second law says this will not happen in any natural process unless external factors enter to make it happen." And by `external factors', I assume there he is recognizing that the system is then open. `External factors' means opening a system to the flow of matter and energy.

And under these conditions, Morris admits that organization can take place.

Q: Does he continue that discussion of open systems?

A: Yes. He then picks up again somewhat later in the book on open systems, and he does that under a very strange device.

He starts that discussion by saying, "When pressed, however, for a means of reconciling of the entropy principle with evolution, one of the following answers is usually given," and then he gives a list of five answers, the fifth of which is that the second law of thermo- the second law does not apply to open systems.

So he finally admits to the fact that the second law does not require that an open system like the earth go from an ordered to a disordered state, but he does it in a way by sneaking it in as a fifth item on the list of the excuses that evolutionists give when pressed.

Q: Is the limitation of the second law of


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Q: (Continuing) thermodynamics to isolate its systems an evolutionist excuse?

A: No. It is fundamental to the structure of thermodynamics of an open system. It is fundamental to an entire body of knowledge, which we will call the study itself organizing systems, which is most relevant to this problem of abiogenesis.

Q: Doctor Morowitz, you've been referring thus far only to the book Scientific Creationism. In your opinion and based on your reading of creation science literature generally, is that misapplication or misstatement of the second law typical in that creation science literature?

A: The views that Morris presents are very similar throughout the rest of the literature that I am familiar with.

Q: Doctor Morowitz, I believe you testified that in addition to misstating the second law of thermodynamics, creation science literature also misapplies the second law of thermodynamics to conclude that evolution is not possible on earth. Is that accurate?

A: That is true.

Q: In what ways do they do that? What arguments do they use?

A: Well, again, the primary arguments are ignoring the fact that the earth is an open system,

LINK....http://www.antievolution.org/projects/mclean/new_site/pf_trans/mva_tt_p_morowitz.html

Dr. Harold Morowitz during his testimony DETAILS HOW CREATIONISTS ARE IMPROPERLY APPLY HIS CALCULATIONS AND WORK AS WELL AS IMPROPERLY APPLY THE SECOND RULE OF THERMODYNAMICS IN ORDER TO BACK THEIR CREATIONIST ARGUMENTS.

Dr. Harold Morowitz states in his testimony that Creationists do not understand that the Earth is an OPEN SYSTEM and that the use by Creationists of the Second Rule of Thermodynamics IS AN IMPROPER USE as the Second Rule of Thermodynamics can ONLY APPLY TO A CLOSED SYSTEM!!!!!!

Just another example of the LIES by Creationists as they grasp at straws and are willing to do anything and everything INCLUDING LYING to further their own agenda.

AboveAlpha

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OH!! Morowitz also dicusses in his testimony what you brought up as well.

AboveAlpha

 

You need to read the most recent Science about the Unconscious mind.

That mind comes genetically whenever a baby is born.
It adds to a Collective Unconscious mind which is the sum of all our inputs.

The evidence now shows that though we do not realize it, this Unconscious mind is directing much or our "decisions" and "choices."

 

Please provide any current existing evidence or research that backs this up as I am not aware of any such data or evidence existing.

AboveAlpha

 

I would think that transcriptors, BMP4, ligands, and Notch receptor cites, etc. are way beyond basic chemistry 101.

I get the impression that researchers have made some headway in discovering some biochemical agents that trigger some transformations at certain levels of differentiation in certain types of precursor cells. They are also detecting certain unique markers that appear at certain levels of differentiation without yet knowing if these are agents of change or just signposts.

Another website states that researchers are being surprised by what they are finding because it is very different than what experts anticipated based on prior knowledge. Unfortunately, I can't get access to the full body of such articles.

It would take an enormous effort to wade through all the ongoing research avenues in an effort to get a comprehensive assessment of progress. The complications and facets are extensive. I will have to leave it with an estimation that it is overall very incomplete.

 

Regardless of anything it all comes down to a CHEMICAL REACTION taking place.

AboveAlpha