Trans teen commits suicide due to transphobic parents

I thought you were somewhat actually knowledgeable on these topics. Posting ever increasingly long messages each one to contain all prior documentation in each is what is nonsensical.

What isn't good enough is reciting slogans declaring they are self proving if chanted enough times. Who has the greater burden of proof are those who take the bigoted position that people are born to and thus trapped to an inherent repulsion to half of the human race.

 

The last instances, we just helped 2 young adult males out of a highly oppressive and restraining home. One is the young gay tranny I've been posting of and the other heterosexual in practice. Both were constantly berated, restrained, belittled. For the gay they made that one point of attack, but they were equally vicious and degrading to both to keep them broken and trapped psychologically, not just economically. Once we got each one out of there via the economic and transportation means to do so - and spoke with each - they are rapidly moving on with their lives not looking back. Both had been broken against resistance at a young age or so it seemed.

Just our act of definance against their parents and other adult family members was almost shocking to them in that defiance was unthinkable. Just our telling who they saw as their absolute masters "get out of my way" and "I don't give a damn what you think" as they each left was a lesson for them they had never seen. It is surprising how broken down some kids are to the point of just leaving was unimaginable and certainly defiance was. More curious was those adults shocked they had no power over us and we saw no need to even discuss anything with them because they're just nothing to us. A lesson in defiance not by fighting and arguing, but instead just reducing adversaries to nothingness and irrelevancy.

Its a situation we've been in quite a few times, the attitude of how dare we interfere with their control over their children, even if those children are adults and even if they've thrown their adult or older teenage kid out of the house as a power move. How dare we make it so they don't have to come begging back being out on the street. How unthinkable we'd just pull in their driveway, hand the kid keys to a car, a pre-paid cell phone and some cash saying "you're free now, time to move on in your life." And the shocked look on their face when that kid gets in the car and drives off - and doesn't return. Straight or gay, actually the same psychologies were involved for both young adults. If still minor aged teens we take a more pro-active role towards the kid for legal reasons for that kid. To get to the kid they have to get thru us, and that's not going to happen.

As you said, there are really rotten parents who psychologically grind their kids into the ground. But I doubt that of itself rarely leads to suicide. Ultimately, nearly all kids can internally defy and escape from parental domination and berating.

Teen suicide isn't rare and usually is due to a sense of rejection and hopelessness about the future in relation to people their own age, not adult/old people. Crappy mean spirited parents who dump on their children is nothing new, but also often parents had nothing to do with teen suicide. More often it has to do with peers and people their own age - from a girlfriend/boyfriend breaking up with them or someone making fun of them or just general unhappiness. The title of this thread is false.

 

The ability to blather incessantly isn't a sign of knowledge. As you routinely prove.

Ehat slogans are you talking about?

In logical debate it's the person who makes claims, and so far that has been you. All I have done is question them. Instead of carrying your burden you further claim I'm chanting slogans or making assertions, or some other nonsense. That really tells me you have no proof. An unsupported claim isn't a viable argument.

 

But nothing in your post changes that the same thing happens to straight children born in the right body. I know someone who was in that type situation just because their dad was a prick, not because they were gay, who killed themselves.

 

then the LGBTQQi doesn't concern themselves with that kind of suicide. Only the ones that they can further push their agenda.

A gay, crossdressing teen killing themselves is worth 100 likes on social media whenever a person says "we should support gay rights to prevent this from happening from bigots"

 

Which I think is a disservice to the broader issue. I really don't mind raising awareness of the issue, it is when they try to portray themselves as special victims that bothers me because it makes it look like other victims somehow were not as victimized or somehow their victimization is more okay than LGBT victimhood. I personally think that we should be opposed to all domestic violence, not just gay-victim domestic violence, and that should be the singular message society sends.

 

I've always maintained that TEEN SUICIDE in general is the bigger issue, not teen suicides that meet a certain criteria for reasoning....

 

I agree.

 

saying #gayteensuicides is the most important suicides, is like saying #blm, (but don't you dare say ALL lives matter, cuz that's racist)

 

People are mostly just sheeple and the only thing that matters is whatever the media says matters. Currently it is transsexuals and transgenders. So accordingly they are the most important people on earth and only their concerns matter. Only black lives matter because the media says only black lives matter.

 

I read and QUOTED what she said was the reason while you instead tell us why she comitted suicide.

 

You used her exact words, but you didn't have any form of comprehension for them or the context around them.

 

Your message is the perspective of old gay control-freak radicals, trying to dictate and demand that people behave as you say they should that I have been posting about. This the greatest danger to teens and adults with sexuality and gender issues, not anti-gay religious zealots. It is pro-gay anti-individuality zealots.

 

You're picking up something I'm not putting out.

 

We used to be very active in regards to LGTB rights in real terms including meetings at our home. But we stopped doing so some time ago as the new wave of slogans came along and the overall attitudes we faced from old and naive gay activists and their atrocious behavior. All they have is slogans - extreme oppressive slogans - that they chant. They don't discuss anything other than who is more extreme in application of those slogans.

Rather it was like dealing with Pentacostal religious zealots - but worse. To merely question any of their slogans would result in hissy fits and furious name calling. Since the slogans now revolve around genetic/birth bigotry combined with heterophobia we had no interests in them. When the conflicts were starting to become violent we called it quits. The worst incident was over an enraged and rather fake-ish male transvestite going berserk over lesbians refusing to refer to him as "she" or "her." It became physically violent (the lesbian won) and a unanimous vote among us ended the open meetings after this before someone really got hurt, plus such outsiders were fully counter-productive.

The good news is that those gay and gay-activist hate-monger zealots weren't young people. Young people really aren't buying it. They may or may not say the slogans, but they really don't care about creating conflicts and exaggerated sobbing and ranting of oppression. They do not see themselves as trapped, oppressed, victims, or part of some isolated, angry gay-people cult and club. They have as much interest in what bitter old gay activists think as young people care what old hippies think. They don't see people different from themselves as their enemy out to hurt them.

While there will continue to be those on the far right and far left that will keep ranting and sobbing - and there will be far right and far left political jurisdictions and campaigns pursuing ordinances and laws plus a push to make LGTBQs a protected class under state and federal laws - the majority of people including LGTBQs are ready to just move on with the Supreme Court decision. There are few instances of LGTBQs that are oppressed outside of general inter-personal conflicts and there are full opportunities socially, in relationships and employment for LGTBQs the same as everyone else. LBTBQs will mostly go to their own clubs/bars just like there are country western bars, college bars, old folks bars, country-club crowd bars, black bars, Latino bars etc. There are self-identity and life style differences between people and that can lead to conflicts, but those conflicts are not bigotry and are inherent to human nature related to the socialization-nature of our species.

 

Suicide rates are off the charts for post-surgery transgenders. Almost 1 in 5 commit suicide and the rate might be much higher still. Is an irreversible medical surgical procedure that permanently destroys a person's genitals with a post-surgery suicide rate of 18%! even remotely acceptable? I seriously doubt that the hated "gay conversion therapy" by religious organizations has even that high a suicide rate for teens, let alone adults. Yet that is being outlawed? Shouldn't a medical procedure with a post suicide rate of 18% be banned? Does ANY other medical procedure have that high a suicide rate? 180 suicides per 1000 patients?

"The review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals by the University of Birmingham's aggressive research intelligence facility (Arif) found no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective."

"Its review warns that the results of many gender reassignment studies are unsound because researchers lost track of more than half of the participants. For example, in a five-year study of 727 post-operative transsexuals published last year, 495 people dropped out for unknown reasons. Dr Hyde said the high drop out rate could reflect high levels of dissatisfaction or even suicide among post-operative transsexuals. He called for the causes of their deaths to be tracked to provide more evidence."

"Research from the US and Holland suggests that up to a fifth of patients regret changing sex. A 1998 review by the Research and Development Directorate of the NHS Executive found attempted suicide rates of up to 18% noted in some medical studies of gender reassignment."

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

 

A curious analogy are hearing people who want to be deaf for a variety of reasons, though mostly commonly if in a deaf community or personal circle, wishing to be of the same linquistic miniority and community. Would it be ethical for a doctor to agree to destroy a person's ability to hear?

A curious case in the UK involve deaf parents who wanted a deaf child, but for a second child appeared to need to use IVF for a pregnancy. Law banned using sperm with known birth defects, including deafness - which can be a genetic trait. The government's stance was it is not acceptable to allow parents to deliberately cause their children to have birth defects, where the parent's stance was that the government was declaring deaf people are inferior.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/mar/09/genetics.medicalresearch

It would seem there would have to be overwhelming medical reasons to allow doctors to surgically remove a person's genitals for psychological issues - as opposed to an actual medical reason. If a person declared they wanted their eyes removed because the Bible says "better to plunk out an eye than sin," - if a psychiatrist confirmed that the person really, really wants to be blinded?

Should doctors be allowed to permanently and substantively physically multilate a person in disability ways because they have psychological issues, rather than for medical issues? While in the past I had no issue with SRS, looking at stats of post-surgery effects I seriously question this. Multilating medical procedures that result in a massive level of post-surgery suicides does not seem acceptable and slogans doesn't really change that - particularly since in the USA few doctors will do such surgery unless a psychiatrist signs of that this is in the person's best interest. Suicide isn't in a person's best interest in mental healthcare.

 

You seem to be the only one with the comprehension problems. Sooooooo desperately wanting to believe that he isnt responsible for his own actions and the fault lies with the parents.

 

People have reasons for doing things. People get pushed to drastic actions.

 

Yes, he told us those reasons. You just dont believe him.

"The life I would’ve lived isn’t worth living in … because I’m transgender.....
I felt hopeless, that I was just going to look like a man in drag for the rest of my life.....
I’m never going to transition successfully, even when I move out. I’m never going to be happy with the way I look or sound. I’m never going to have enough friends to satisfy me. I’m never going to have enough love to satisfy me. I’m never going to find a man who loves me. I’m never going to be happy. Either I live the rest of my life as a lonely man who wishes he were a woman or I live my life as a lonelier woman who hates herself. There’s no winning. There’s no way out. I’m sad enough already, I don’t need my life to get any worse. ...."

Sounds like to me the kid couldnt come to grips with his homosexuality and desperately wanted to be a heterosexual woman instead. The guys down at the local bath house would have lined up to give him the love of a man he sought.

 

Jesus Christ, the kid had no problem with being gay. She once even claimed to be a gay man before coming out as trans.

 

I said he couldn't come to grips with his homosexuality. Never claimed he denied it.

 

And that's a baseless accusation.

 

He said "I’m never going to find a man who loves me." Have you seen a picture of the boy? I suspect he would be considered pretty good looking among gay men. He was never going to find a man who loves him as a woman. Like I said, the men at the bath house would line up to give him all the love he wanted as a gay man.

 

Angst over successfully transitioning is extremely common amongst trans people.