Trans teen commits suicide due to transphobic parents

It isn't offered as treatment for mental illness. That's absurd. Mental illness cannot be treated, it can only be coped with.

I grow tired of repeating myself. There is no amputation, just reshaping.

You aren't forced to elect the procedure. If it's not your genitalia I don't see how it's any bit of your business.

 

So you admit to bull (*)(*)(*)(*)ting when you said the operation causes suicide, it's good you recognize that.

Yes I knew your claims were bunk no need to repeat it.

 

Yes it is absurd because they continue to present gender reassignment surgery as treatment for the illness. Doctors still certify the procedure as medically necessary.

There is no reshaping of a mans testicles, they are removed. No reshaping of a womans breasts, they are removed

 

Explain how they "reshape" the testicles.

 

No they don't. People in that profession know you can't treat a mental illness, so there is no way they would represent something as a treatment for mental illness. That is just what you see because you understand very little about mental illness and how it is handled.

Him, it's almost like that's their job huh?

If you don't think it's necessary prove it, but don't be offended when I take the word of a professional that has studied the subject over yours.

Severing the vas deferens removes the function of testicles as well. You aren't questioning doctors that do that.

That is an elective surgery that does the same damage to the testicles as srs.

You just don't want to accept one and your desperately searching for any justification for that.

 

No need, removal of testicles or their function is perfectly legitimate surgery. Case and point vasectomy.

If you're saying that is better to leave a nonfunctional organ in the body for cosmetic purposes verses removing them for cosmetic purposes I'd say you are straining to find justification for something.

 

Your messages seem to demonstrate having very little capacity to engage in discussion, very closed minded and no free thinking - just absolutes.

 

Well i caught you in a mistake. You could be an adult about it or you can blame me.

 

Thats medically neccessary for the treatment of their mental condition.

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Testicles arent removed in a vasectomy. Castration involves removing the testicles.

 

Doesn't really matter, it's the same form of disability caused.

The nonsense that you are trying to claim is negated. People can elect to remove their ability to procreate.

There is no real point in beating this dead horse. Your argument was defeated

Pick something else to whine about and support your belief that people should do what you think is best.

 

Prove that mental illness can't be treated.

The desperate one is you. You claimed that SRS is merely "cosmetic," when in fact castration is not merely cosmetic at all. Whether or not I oppose someone having surgery to become a eunuch or not is not relevant to whether it is just cosmetic. It is not and it is absurd to claim it is.

 

As of yet there is no treatment for mental illness. It can only be coped with. Perhaps someday it can be, but as of yet we don't treat them.

Good come back I haven't heard that one since third grade.

I am not generally concerned about such things. I don't think it's right for me to have this surgery. It isn't any more damaging than a vasectomy, so the objections anybody has are purely emotional.

 

Prove it.

Since you brought it up apparently that means you've say that since the 3rd grade.

Castration of testicles in not the same as or less damaging than a vasectomy, but regardless of whether it is or not, it is not just cosmetic surgery.

 

Prove that something doesn't exist? It doesn't work that way.

Your wording or sentence structure is flawed because this statement makes no sense.

It's still elective and causes no more harm than a vasectomy. Do there isn't really anything fundamentally flawed with the ethics of the surgery. I'd say that yes it is absolutely cosmetic because it is done to change appearance. Removal of flesh is normally part of cosmetic surgery.

 

You claimed that mental healthcare professional agree that mental illness can never be "cured," only "coped with." That is a positive statement by you claiming proof. So prove this is the view of all health care professionals as that is your claim.

Under your logic removal of a tumor is just cosmetic surgery.

 

Nice try. But you failed.

My claim is that cures for mental illness don't exist. That is a negative claim.

Nice lying thought.

No, my logic is that cosmetic surgery often includes removal of flesh. Not that all removal of flesh is cosmetic.

Keep on being dishonest, watching you discredit yourself is kind of humorous.

 

You like to toss out integrity.

Prove your claim that I underlined and made bold.

 

No one claimed they do. Youve been chasing a strawman for 3 days now. I said gender reassignment surgery is presented as a "TREATMENT" or their mental condition.

Here is a web page devoted to this FACT you so vehemently deny

 

Nope. Testicles continue to produce hormones after a vastectomy. After Castration, they do not.

 

Nor much reason to pursue this as he'll just start shifting definitions such as shifting the definition of "mental illness" by claiming if there was a cure then it wasn't mental illness. You are dealing with word games, not actual discussion of any meaningful purpose in my opinion.

Is excessive fear of heights or water a mental illness? Yes. Are people ever "cured" of that fear. Yes. To which he'll claim fear of heights or water isn't a mental illness. And if is proven that medication can cure a mental illness condition, he'll claim that wasn't a cure at all, but merely is "coping." His messages are predictable and are the antithesis of both discussion and meaningful debate in his message style.

It's an ego thing. If someone posts something that demonstrates my message was inaccurate or put badly, I'll just acknowledge it and move on. Some people are far too ego-fragile to do so.

 

This is the absurdity of your messages on this topic - to claim there is no difference in "harm" by cutting off a man's genitals versus a boob job or vasectomy.

I suppose I could look it up, but there have been criminal cases of someone cutting off a man's penis and cases of a woman's breasted being cut and scarred. In your logic, obviously the sentencing should be the same. In fact, it hasn't been.

EVERY rational person - and even you - understands cutting off a man's genitals is more "harmful" than changing the appearance or shape of a woman's boobs or injuring a man in a way that leaves him sterile. When you run off in these pointless gotta-win extremes, you make yourself irrelevant to the discussion to instead be a diversion from the actual topic.

 

I don't lie and misrepresent your argument. I know what integrity is. It doesn't surprise me that you don't.

The lack of evidence for existence of cures proves my claim.

 

There is no treatment for mental illness.

It isn't a fact. You can't treat mental illness. It can only be coped with. If you say that coping mechanisms are treatment, okay, but it isn't like treating cancer.

 

Still doesn't matter, they are removed during a reassignment surgery fire cosmetic purposes

 

Your claim was that healthcare professionals know there isn't such a thing as a cure. Prove your claim or admit you just made it up.