"Abortion is murder!"...how to destroy it in 3-4 quick questions

Women have ALWAYS had abortions, legal and illegal , since the first woman decided 13 kids was enough and figured out where they were coming from....ancient Egyptians had herbs for abortion ...



YES, women will continue to have abortions.

1. It'll be damn hard to "suspect", charge, investigate, and prosecute. And before you say "like any other crime" answer this: WHAT EXACTLY do you tell the police when you call to report a suspected abortion?

2. Canada doesn't have any stupid abortion laws so those that can afford it will go there. And , of course, wealthy women can go to any ENLIGHTENED country and get an abortion.

AND there will be a competent underground to help women get safe abortions....

 

As the fetus is the one causing injure to the woman without her consent then no the fetus does not get to consent, by your logic the rapist must give consent to their victim for them to defend themselves.

 

It's called maths.

Average number of abortions per 1,000 in 1965 = 23.9 (14.9 + 32.9 / 2)
Female population (20-44) in 1965 = 30,669,000 (source - http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/statab/pop6097.pdf - page 18 )
Approx.number of abortions performed in 1965 = ((23.9 /1000) x 100 = 2.39%, 2.39% of 30,669,000 = 732,989 which does not include the 18-19 age range, there were 8.3 million females aged between 15-19 in 1965, no data exists for the number of 18 and 19 year olds separately, to say approx. 67,011 abortions took place for 18 & 19 year olds is not really a stretch.

The data splits the age ranges into differences of 4 years ie. 20-24, 25-29, 30-34, 35-39, 40-44 so for each age group there would be an approx. average of 146,597 abortions (732,989 / 5 (number of age groups) - 146,597 / 4 * 2 = 73,298 approx abortions for the 18 & 19 age group, so if anything the figure has been under estimated for 18 & 19 year olds.

 

1. Thanks....most male "pro-lifers" usually aren't honest in their desire to see women EXECUTED for self-inducing an abortion.

Most of them are smart enough to realize that it paints them as "American Taliban".


2. Sure, if my mother wanted to charge me with assault and battery for her pregnancy....she could. Anybody can file any charge they want. But she wouldn't.

 

So because the majority does it it makes it right? And most abortions aren't safe. They are formed in abortion clinics which are infamous for being anything but safe.

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The woman cussed the baby to be there in the first place.

 

No, it's right because it's right.....and right or wrong it has always happened and will always happen...

You have to give proof that abortions are worse for women than pregnancy and you haven't and no one else ever has....


And "cussing" doesn't make a woman pregnant....

 

Nope she did not, or are you like some people who think that a woman has control over whether the sperm fertilizes the ova? .... she doesn't by the way.

 

Here's the proof.

http://azpolicypages.com/life/abortion-harms-women/

Even if abortion is 100% safer than childbirth it's still wrong to take like that its not threatening life.

And I meant caused.

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She caused by having that relationship.

 

Nope, sorry .. all she did was take a risk, she did not "cause" pregnancy. The only thing that can cause pregnancy is the implantation of a fertilized ovum into the uterine wall, her relationship does not cause pregnancy, her relationship may be a necessary factor it is not a sufficient factor, her relationship is not the cause of pregnancy it is merely one of many factors involved.

Suggest you look up the difference between actual cause and legal cause.

Actual Cause - http://definitions.uslegal.com/a/actual-cause/
Legal Cause - http://definitions.uslegal.com/l/legal-cause/

 

No, there's no real proof that abortion is worse than going through a full term pregnancy because it isn't....
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER....it is STILL the woman's choice......

 

Maccabee....

there is nothing you can imagine that will stop abortion in this country......except a Taliban-like totalitarian police state aimed at women.


Then again...maybe that IS what you hope for?

 

No it's not unless life or limb is at stake if youre going to tout the "self defense" line.

 

Just between you and me and the lamppost, I don't believe in a mandatory life sentence or capital punishment for murderers. I do believe in the possibility of parole for those who have committed murder. It should not be easy. It should not be in five or seven years, but I don't think turning our penitenaries into nursing homes is a good idea. You'll have to rewrite your questions.

 

You have a very crude and simplistic understanding of self-defence.

 

"Life and limb" ? Is that a legal term?

And what does your post have to do with the one of mine you quoted:

Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

No, there's no real proof that abortion is worse than going through a full term pregnancy because it isn't....
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER....it is STILL the woman's choice...... """



I was addressing whether abortion was worse than a pregnancy, it ISN'T, but said it doesn't matter because it is still the woman 's choice.


Had nothing to do with the self defense issue.

 

Luckily, where I live a woman can terminate her fetus up to the point of birth.

 

Well, in theory, sentencing would consider the context of the abortion, but (which brings up my biggest problem with this thread - the definition of "murder") it would come down to the type of 'murder' as defined by the law. If it is an offence of absolute liability, then no context will be considered so long as the physical element of the law, having had an abortion, is proven. I have no doubt an actual law, if created (and it never will) would never be so strict, however I also have no doubt there would be PLENTY of insane anti-abortion folk who would want the law to operate as such, as with murder laws generally in the US where self-titled "pro-life" advocates hypocritically hound government for the enforcement of the death penalty.

In defence of those responding to this thread, I believe it is an unjustified charge to label all adherents to the enactment of a murder law regarding abortion as fascistic or misogynist on that basis alone. Such a label is clearly unjustified, and unwarranted, without more.

Thus the real question is, what is the "murder" at issue here? What is the substance of the legal provision that would render abortion "murder" in this scenario?

 

And I doubt many do unless it's for health reasons.

Now , care to actually address the post of mine you quoted??

Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

There has been no "slippery slope". Once a fetus is viable elective abortion is illegal.

IF a fetus is deemed a person, making abortion murder, then it's murder not a "sort of" murder.

Do you want women imprisoned for life or executed?

 

See my comment at #367

 

No not at all, in my opinion.

 

Unless a new law is enacted that deals with the specific case of unlawfully killing a foetus then the standard legal definition of murder would apply, it would after all certainly meet that legal definition. I would suspect that it would defined along the same lines as the unborn victims of violence acts but with the abortion exclusion removed and I also suspect it would be challenged at every level, for one no court is going to remove the mental well being of the woman as a reason for abortion, for another it could be challenged on self-defence grounds and finally as a constitutional issue under the equal protection clause.

 

That woman who killed her own (already born) baby and was only given a 3-year sentence kind of disproves the entire thesis of this thread.

(go back to page 33)

Just because the punishment is relatively light does not mean it is not regarded as murder.

 

Abortion is justifiable homicide. There is no punishment needed or crime committed.

 

Justified in the minds of some pro-choicers maybe.

 

This is about abortion. Did you forget to read the OP or are you still confused about born and unborn?