"Abortion is murder!"...how to destroy it in 3-4 quick questions

Pointing at an entire thread merely proves that you have no viable alternatives to incarceration. You will need to link directly to the specific posts if you expect to be taken seriously.

But to return to your fallacy that you will force a woman to actually give birth that exposes a great deal of immorality on your part.

For starters you are going to deny her both her liberty and her pursuit of happiness and even worse you are going to deny that to the fetus who is entirely "innocent" in this regard. How can you incarcerate a fetus for 9 months when it has done nothing wrong? And yes, I am using your own illogical nonsense to expose the fallacy of your position.

Next there is the matter of actually impregnating her against her will. To all intents and purposes that is rape, pure and simple. So now you are more than willing to commit the crime of rape in order to "punish" a woman. What does that say about your "moral values"?

Shall we continue?

Why not?

Incarcerating a pregnant woman greatly increases her odds of a problem pregnancy because placing her in restraints or putting her in solitary or even forcing her to wear shackles during delivery are risks to both her and the fetus. Then there is the fact that pregnant inmates don't receive adequate prenatal care even though they have higher risk pregnancies. On top of all that you have the fact that she is forced into a high stress situation where drugs and violence are the norm. Once again how is it even remotely moral to not only subject her to that situation but to do that to the fetus as well?

Obviously you haven't bothered to think through the consequences of your hatred towards women.

 

Even the most repressive regime in the world would hear your ideas and call them torture. If you can not see it I sleep well at night knowing that you are only part of a tiny fringe minority in this country and can easily be ignored.

 

Baloney! Hysterical hyperbole without a shred of evidence.....and off topic....

 

No one would force the woman to get pregnant against her will, just like no one forced the woman to get pregnant before she had her illegal abortion (during her first pregnancy).

There would be a special prison program for expecting soon-to-be mothers, with meals geared towards prenatal nutrition (smoking would not be allowed of course). They would also offer Lamaze child-birth classes.

 

There is no murder committed, using what you think a reactionary words only lowers your creditability.

 

False equivalence fallacy - http://www.trulyfallacious.com/logic/logical-fallacies/presumption/false-equivalence

Life actually started millions of years ago, if you are referring to human life then no it doesn't start at conception, conception is just the continuation, or or if you are referring to a NEW human life than yes of course .. that doesn't change one iota the legal status of abortion.

 

Really, let us see them then, because you do know, I assume, that the Nazi's regarded women as state property and that it should be the state who decided whether a woman would remain pregnant or not, seems to me the pro-lifers certainly have a lot in common with some aspects of Nazi ideology.

 

And there will be puppies and rainbows and unicorns everywhere!

You intend to do this to 1 million women each and every year and keep those women who refuse to participate in this farce incarcerated for life?

Just building enough prisons to house them will be a full time job, let alone pretending that you will provide decent nutrition and Lamaze classes.

What a charade you are trying to pull here.

No one is going to buy this for one second as soon as they hear you say that you are going to coddle inmates who are guilty of 1st degree murder you are going to find all of the taxpayers up in open revolt against your theist doctrine.

 

so much for respecting and upholding your Constitution.

 

Ignore it, the author is just trolling and attempting to get a reaction they can report.

 

Actually it is way too funny to ignore that kind of comic relief.

On the one hand he is treating women like breeding animals and on the other he is trying to pretend to give them with adequate prenatal care.

The cognitive dissonance must be deafening!

 

Well, I offered up 2 possible alternatives to prison time that could work.

If the idea of being pregnant seems so horrible to the pro-abortion crowd, then I am sure many pro-lifers could agree that it would indeed serve as an adequate deterrent. I suspect that if forced to choose between prison and another pregnancy to help an infertile couple, most of these women would choose the pregnancy.

After all, it's not that hard to find a woman offering surrogate services for only 15,000 dollars. That's not even a year's worth of pay!

from one ad on craigslist:

http://imgur.com/gallery/nhn8CX1

 

Would just like to point out to you that the term "pro-abortion" has been deemed a personal insult and inflammatory by the MOD's here so I would suggest you refrain from using it. The term for all the people here who support a woman's choice as far as abortion is concerned is pro-choice, your attempt to goad others into a reactionary response is pathetic to say the least.

Everything you have written is a complete and utter violation of your Constitution.

 

Pro-lifers have never been that good at intellectual honesty or thinking, just be aware that the term "pro-abortion" has been deemed an insult and inflammatory by the MOD's here so at some points the comments where that is used will be deleted and so will the replies.

 

Thanks for the heads up!

 

Keep in mind despite all his NEW ideas for how to punish or control a woman who's pregnant....

Joakim has already endorsed the idea of EXECUTING women who self-induce an abortion.

This insight into his personality naturally extends beyond abortion. For further analysis, PM me if you can't figure it out.

 

I would choose prison and I would make it HELL for the guards and the govt. I would make them pay as much as I could for things like medical, dental, vision care etc. I would stand up for my rights and if any were trampled on, I would take them to court. I would act as a jailhouse lawyer for my fellow inmates so they could bleed the system for every cent, too.

 

Hate to tell you, but there's not exactly a good medical or dental plan in prison. It's pretty bare-bones and minimal. Some people come out of prison after several decades with all sorts of chronic health problems resulting from going so long without inadequate treatment. The only way you're going to be able to get any decent level of medical attention is if you're pregnant.

You have the right to remain pregnant.

The courts would most likely dismiss your frivolous claims.

 

They get a hell of a lot more than many on the outside get.

And I have the right to *not* remain pregnant.

Who said anything about frivolous claims?


ETA: BTW, it costs $117,000 per year to incarcerate someone where I am. 20 years would be min. $2.34 million, and that doesn't take into account rising costs each year. I wonder how many taxpayers would be okay with this?

 

Yes, murder is murder no matter how you look at it. As cold hearted that may sound its the truth. If she goes to prison or executed for killing a baby then the same punishment should be enforced if she had an abortion.

 

So you're not Pro-life.......

 

I'm pro the defense of innocent life.

 

Obviously. But what I think some pro-choicers (at least the less extremist ones) are trying to say is there is some point in the gestational development when the fetus is sort of a "half-person", for lack of a better word.

On the other side of the coin, there are some mothers who killed their babies who were already born, and only received a 3 year sentence:
Erin Sutherland sentenced to three years after killing baby daughter Chloe

 

Day mail is known as the daily fail in the UK I'd suggest taking anything they say with a pinch of salt, btw you do know that its off topic.

Whether the foetus is a person or not is irrelevant

 

If its irrevelant then I guess murder is ok.