Donald Trump Rally In Chicago Canceled After Protesters Turn Out In Droves

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  1. For Topical Use Only

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    So much love.

    Trump supporter, by any chance?
     
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    No love for thugs or the people that raise them up to be thugs
     
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    No you do not understand. No one has the right to rain on other's parades. It is counter productive and should be stopped painfully. It is not interest in our politics, it is dirty politics, and the militant hostility does more harm than good. Take out protesters at someone's rally with pain. I am a liberal progressive Bernie voter, but I respect the right of ANYONE to campaign based on their own opinions. If you don't like them, DON'T VOTE FOR THEM. Militant hostility at a rally is divisive and causes more violence and hostility back at those who are militantly hostile to start with.
    Are you saying that we had decorum back then? MY POINT EXACTLY!
    Yes it has gotten very dark and ugly. THE PROTESTERS are making it so. I am not comfortable with it either, THAT IS WHY I SAY THROW THEM OUT PAINFULLY. And no, you don't get to be sassy or a smart ass with decent people. Stick with your crowd when you are like that.
     
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    Several people have given him plausible and proper reason where he is wrong. I have a rally, It is mine. Protesters at my rally need to have their heads cracked open. I don't attempt to disrupt THEIR rallies.
     
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    The law does not allow protesters to disrupt private rallies in private paid for locations. No, you do not have the right to do that, it is a criminal act and those who violate the law, should be punished to the full extent of the law for trespassing and causing trouble. Maybe we should interfere with some of the black lives matter rallies to the extent they choose to disrupt others? I don't like Trump, but he has the right to speak his mind without trouble makers.


    BTW Plauche is a good French name. Where from?
     
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    Some people are simply to ignorant to understand FASCISM/NAZISM. FASCISM is the flip side of socialism in that the government controlled all production and distribution. Stupidity is believing that FASCIST SOCIALISM IS ANY WORSE THAT SOVIET SOCIALISM.
     
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    Your comprehension level relative to FASCISM leaves a tremendous amount of ignorance on the table. Like it or not, FASCISM is SOCIALISM, and is every bit as violent and murderous as Soviet Socialism. To suggest otherwise is the epitome of ignorance.
     
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    They were organized which does not change my previous argument. Trump's incendiary words were the fuel for such large protests. The reason we do not see the same thing happening at Cruz and Rubio speeches is that they make far less controversial comments. Trump is the cause and protesters are the effect. Trump inciting violence has come back to bite him in the rear end. I oppose both Trump's incendiary words and the protesters who try to shout him down.

    I could only assume what government powers feel about Trump and as such I think such comments would be best left to those government officials.
     
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    One of the Radical Groups Organizing Violence Against Trump in Chicago Was “Refugee Rights” Group

    This radical leftist group, specializing in immigration, is a more extreme version of the far left version of National Council on La Raza in Illinois.

    The group was featured in an article profiling some of the groups intending to protest Trump’s rally in the left-wing website, Progress Illinois on March 8 entitled “New Americans Hit The Polls In Chicago As Immigrant Advocates Gear Up For Anti-Trump Protest.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/12/h...lycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
     
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    Let me get this straight, Trump and his followers are physically attacked because of his speech? That is simply no excuse for such thuggish behavior.
     
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    Indeed nor have I claimed otherwise. But neither is there an excuse for a presidential candidate to espouse violence towards protesters. Both parties own a share of the responcibility for what happened.
     
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    Negative...Protestors have constantly broken into Trump's private gatherings with the express purpose of disruption. They are the perpetrators. There is no excuse for their behavior and they are 100% responsible for their own actions. They deserve to get smacked down and dragged off.
     
  13. Sane Centrist

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    Wrong......................

    That's not what I'm saying at all....

    Here's what I'm saying, and I promise, if you read this without being angry or already having a smart-@$$ insult in your head ready to fire off, you "might" just pick it up this time.

    The same way you are all crying like babies about a bunch of people that showed up at a convention hall in Chicago, to basically tell Trump & his supporters to take all their hate and go the hell..................(which is their right to do)

    Trump supporters at Trump's rallies are "instead" resorting to punching people in the face, spitting on them, and dragging people out literally by their hair. (which seems to be fine with you guys)

    Got all of that so far???

    So it amazes the hell out of me, and a lot of other people who actually see with their eyes open (like me) who are saying:

    "hey, wait a minute, there's a double standard going on here"

    None of you are condemning these jerks that are putting their hands on people at Trump's rallies, but you're sure as hell condemning people that are protesting (against them) LEGALLY......

    None of the people that showed up to protest Trump's appearance in Chicago got arrested, but almost all of the people at Trumps rallies that have actually assaulted people have.

    So if your going to apply your reasoning & logic to these protesters that you keep calling thugs, then why aren't you also calling Trump's supporters thugs?

    Why don't you do something absolutely astonishing here, and actually answer that damn question without spinning it some way.

    I'll be waiting but I won't be holding my breath because I have no faith that you'll be sincere about it.
     
  14. Sane Centrist

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    No snide remarks, let me explain.......

    Tecoyah asked you a question, and I basically asked the same question, just worded differently.

    You didn't answer him, and you didn't answer me. (with a direct answer)

    By the way I disagree with both you & Tecoyah on many issues but I respect the both of you because neither one of you have ever gone to the gutter with me, and even though I disagree with some of your thought processes I respect the way you each hold your ground.

    Having said that I was just sticking my nose in where it didn't belong (admittedly) to tell Tecoyah that you wouldn't answer his question directly.

    It's not so much about the three of us, and our ideological perspectives as much as it's about just being direct.

    The question still stand's Lil Mike.......have you seen any Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz or John Kasich supporters as angry as Donald Trump's? Have you seen any of their supporters behaving as violently as Donald Trump's supporters?

    Trump's supporters are completely off their rocker's, and somebody is either going to get severely hurt or killed.................soon.

    Check this out..........

    Donald Trump Digs In After Weekend Violence, Threatens Bernie Sanders Rallies
    "Be careful Bernie, or my supporters will go to yours!"

    (Dude seriously, does this f*cking idiot think he's still in high school or what?)

    It gets better........................

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Sunday threatened to send his supporters to the campaign rallies of Democrat Bernie Sanders, showing no sign of toning down his rhetoric after clashes erupted at his own events over the weekend.

    Trump, front-runner for the Republican nomination, appeared unchastened after simmering discord between his supporters and protesters angry over his positions on immigration and Muslims turned into a palpable threat on Friday, forcing him to cancel a Chicago rally and shadowing his campaign appearances on Saturday.

    Trump blamed supporters of Democratic candidate Sanders for the incidents in Chicago, where scuffles broke out between protesters and backers of the real estate magnate. He called the U.S. senator from Vermont "our communist friend".

    On Sunday, he went a step further in an early morning post on Twitter: "Bernie Sanders is lying when he says his disruptors aren't told to go to my events. Be careful Bernie, or my supporters will go to yours!"

    Read the rest here if you'd like:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-violence_us_56e56a6fe4b0860f99d94f22

    Donald Trump is not presidential material, he has no business running for president, he has no business representing all Americans, he is dangerous, he is extremely toxic, and he's about to get somebody f*cking killed....................soon.
     
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    Let me tell you what is, and what isn't NUMB-NUTS!!!

    I can arrive at any political rally anywhere in this country with any political agenda or ideology I want.

    I can ask any Godamn question of any political candidate I damn well please to ask.

    I can carry whatever damn sign I want into that rally, and I should not have to fear any f*cking reprisals for doing it.

    I should not be touched or physically harmed in any way just because I may support a different candidate, or just because I may not be on board with everybody else in the room or hall.

    I should not be thrown out for asking a political candidate a question that he or she doesn't like.

    And finally, I should not expect for law enforcement to remove me, when I'm the one being either verbally assaulted or physically assaulted by others.

    Because if I had a mind to, and enough evidence, I could take the idiot that removed me to court, and the sue the hell out of his dumb ass for any number of reasons.

    Have you been educated yet, or do you still need more time in detention to be squared away...............DIP-CHIT?
     
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    And what some say that they deserve is not legal as smacking someone down is a crime known as assault. Trump advocating this shows that he does not respect the law. But fear not as none of this will scratch the Teflon Don as a RNC win is all but guaranteed.
     
  17. Lil Mike

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    To get to the gist, "The question still stand's Lil Mike.......have you seen any Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz or John Kasich supporters as angry as Donald Trump's? Have you seen any of their supporters behaving as violently as Donald Trump's supporters?"

    "Angry" is a subjective term. In this election cycle, it seems to be a word to describe supporters of a candidate you don't support. I see a lot of media talking heads go on TV and explain how Trump supporters are "angry" and then they go on with their own pet theories as to what that anger means. It's just a means to insult people that you despise under the rubric of news analysis. The answer to Trump was obvious from the beginning, and if you didn't get then, than 9 months later you still won't have gotten it. However what you will have done is invented a narrative that feeds your own ego by denigrating Trump supporters.

    As to your question specifically, except for a few BLM protesters, none of those other candidates get counter protesters showing up at their rallies. Instead, it's Bernie (mostly) supporters showing up at Trump events specifically to disrupt them. So it's really only one group that's being attacked, so if there is anyone fighting back, that's where it's going to be.

    In my opinion, Trump committed a major error by implying that some of his supporters might show up at a Sanders rally. That would be a mistake if that happens, but if it does, I bet your line on it won't be how "angry" Bernie supporters are, and by the way, why are Bernie supporters so violent? You'll just flip the script.
     
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    Trump didn't hit anyone and he certainly cannot be held responsible if some loon gets sucker punched for being disruptive and obnoxious at a private event.
     
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    Did You see that video two weeks ago of that 2 tour Iraqi war veteran and his wife being dragged out of a Clinton rally because he wanted to ask Bill about Benghazi? Very shameful.
     
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    I definitely agree with you that "angry" is a subjective term, and as usual you made some other good points as well.

    But there are just a few things you left out.

    First, it's not just young black kids that are showing up at Donald Trump's rallies, and although I keep hearing & reading that they all
    allegedly belong to the BLM movement & that they are Bernie supporters, I haven't seen any solid evidence or proof of that.

    I believe that this BLM movement is just the latest scapegoat to be blamed for everything under the sun these days whenever black kids are involved in something, the same way the Black Panthers were blamed for everything under the sun back in the 60's whenever something happened, and it's all preposterous.

    I've shared many videos in this forum on several different threads of White's, Hispanics, and few Muslims that have showed up at Trumps' rallies that were forcefully, violent ejected.................were they also "all" part of the BLM movement or Bernie supporters?

    Here's my deal & problem with all of this...........

    I don't want to shut Mr. Trump down or see him shut down, I think he's doing a great job of roasting himself (all by himself) with all of his hate speeches. The more the man talks, the more the entire world see's how toxic he is, so I definitely don't want him silenced.

    My problem is...................

    A great many of his supporters (not all) show up at his rallies completely revved up looking for a fight, and you'd have to be blind, not paying attention or in severe denial not to see that.

    These people that are showing up at Donald's rallies with signs or questions that Donald & his supporters don't like do have the right to be there, but their mere presence enrages Donald's supporters to the point that they are pounced on & thrown out before they ever even open their mouths in most cases.

    What we've all seen over & over again in these videos is Donald's supporters circling around people that they deem (trouble maker's) and the next thing you know, there's a scuffle, and Donald is screaming: "throw the bum out".

    And then he's standing there at the podium asking why there's so much hate............:eyepopping:

    The catch is...........most of these people aren't asking any questions, or bothering anybody or causing a disturbance the moment they're being seized upon by these overzealous supporter's. There just there, and that's enough for Donald's legions to snap, and the irony here is that "Donald's supporters" are the ones behaving poorly & violently, not so much the people that they're tossing out.

    Yes....there was that one group of college kids that came into one of Donald's rallies chanting causing a disturbance, but not all of these other people that have been thrown out, and all you need to do is truly look at the videos that are all over YouTube to see what I'm talking about.

    If you looked at them without any bias, being completely neutral you would walk away with the impression that there is something really disturbing going on at these Trump rallies.

    Now, regarding Chicago.......................

    Was it right for all of those people to show up at the event, and protest to the point that Donald felt the need to cancel (and law enforcement never told him that it wasn't safe to continue by the way) I believe it was, and I'll explain why.

    Many have said that it was an infringement on Donald's rights, and that people on the other side of this are only interested in denying him his freedom of speech, and blah, blah, blah.

    I see it from a different perspective....................

    I see it from the perspective that these people have been watching his rallies with concern, and maybe even some of them that showed up in Chicago that night were people that have been victims of Donald's goon squads that have been tossing people out on their ear.

    So they simply said......"enough"......enough of you, enough of your insane supporters that like to beat people up, enough to all of it.

    Their stance was: "we're here to show you that we are not afraid of you, and we're not going to stand for you or your "angry" supporters coming into our town beating people up & throwing them out of this rally just because they may have a difference of opinion with you or your supporters".

    The other thing that really bugs me is that everyone is so quick to defend Donald & his supporters when they are clearly in the wrong here.

    Hell, even people that are not voting for or supporting the man has come to his defense, and I can't for the life of me, wrap my brain around why.

    If Hillary or Bernie was inciting the same type of violence & negativity that Donald is, I would wash my hands of them because that's not the type of behavior that I would want to see from my possible future president.

    Lastly, what about Donald's role in all of this, what about being held accountable for your actions, what about being held accountable for the things you say that affect people's behavior, and how they may possibly react & respond?

    When Donald first stared this I was mildly amused, and figured he was just mugging the cameras again for more attention the way he always does, but this has turned really ugly very quickly, and somebody's going to get seriously hurt or killed before it's all over.

    If Donald's behavior now is any indication how he will act or behave if he's elected, then people need to stop for just 2 seconds, and really consider what their seeing now, and how it's affecting everybody.
     
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    "Hell, even people that are not voting for or supporting the man has come to his defense, and I can't for the life of me, wrap my brain around why"

    You've been given that explanation, and you either refuse to accept it, or your worldview is just too different to really grasp it. I think that's the root of many of our disagreements; we just can't grasp the worldview of your opponent.
     
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    Yes I did....................

    What I saw was a veteran use his "veteran status" to try to make a point while being obnoxious & disrespectful about the entire affair.

    Let's be honest & fair here, that veteran knew damn well what he was doing, and that by being abrasive with Bill, he knew what type of reaction he was going to cause.

    He also knew (and you just proved it) how many people would see the video, and be completely blind to the fact that he was being rude, belligerent & disrespectful - because anytime you behave that way towards a "Clinton", your a hero in conservative circles.

    That veteran wasn't interested in anything Bill had to say and he proved it over & over again by not letting Bill finish his statement or answer his questions. Also he just kept talking over Bill every time Bill tried to speak, or was I not supposed to notice that?

    Also the veteran was "peacefully" ejected after Bill tried multiple times to answer the mans question, not roughed up & thrown out like a drunk from a bar the way people are at Trump's rallies.

    Sorry, I saw it and I'm not buying it.

    The veteran had every right to be there, and he had every right to ask the question, but he was being rude, belligerent, and disrespectful, and he wouldn't allow Bill to talk or answer his question............knowing that he would be an internet hero, and that everybody would side with him because of his status as a veteran.
     
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    Ok, fine but I gave you a lot more to chew on here than just this my good sir.......could you please expound on any of the rest of it?
     
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    It's going to start, just like someone will now attempt a retaliation for the attempted attack on Trump in Dayton Ohio.

    Violence always gets a reaction, the same reaction, but tenfold.
     
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    I'm sure that guy ends up with an awesome lawyer, paid for by a non-disclosed 3rd party.
     

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