PM quits after UK votes to leave EU in historic Brexit referendum >>>MOD WARNING<<<

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

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    Perhaps from the EU bureaucracy but it seems the UK is getting a lot of support from the people of the EU. Many now want to do the same.
     
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    Donors in the EU - Germany - 16 billion euros, the UK - 11 billion, France - 9 billion, Italy - 4.6 billion and the Netherlands - 4 billion. All other - on the content of these five.

    Now the British will not feed beggars. In addition, the British close the entry into the country for African cannibals. The low rate of national currency - the blessing.

    For example, in Russia after the fall of the ruble exchange rate, very fast start of growth of real production and agriculture. Create many jobs. Nobody in Russia wants to increase the rate of the ruble. Russian is also afraid of the lifting of sanctions.

    I congratulate the British. Well done.
     
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    More than half of the governments in the EU have right rather than left leaning governments.

    Have you ever been to the EU? Do you know of any possitive aspects of the EU for European people?
     
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    So the people of the EU do not directly elect their President. Instead it is an office served on a 'rotating' basis with geography, not competence, serving as the main qualification. The Brits wisely told the EU to rotate on this.
     
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    Why do you say that, when Ireland will be the only part of these island's within the EU free travel area? You can get a boat from France, or a €50 from Paris, Brussels, wherever.

    If the Northern Irish border stays open, which I believe it will, it will be the only open land border into the EU.
     
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    Not true. The majority of people who voted to leave were Middle England Conservatives. Not exactly the type of people who are known to be uneducated.

    That is no longer in the UK's hands. EU heads of states are already insisting on as quick an exit as possible to stabalise the rest of the EU. Once Article 50 is invoked next week the ticking clock begins.

    Nothing is certain until the negotiations are underway. More importantly, the people who voted Leave will surely not accept a re-run of the referendum. Besides, a quick re-run would could be toxic for British society, and can the markets take level of uncertainty again? The London financial sector could implode, and no one wants that.

    When Article 50 is signed, there will be 2 years of negotiations. The people of the UK have voted to leave. Cameron is a goner. There will be a Eurosceptic Prime Minister, whether it be Boris, or someone else. IMO, the UK is gone, baby gone.
     
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    They're talking about us!
     
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    as right wing as oligarchy socialist police states can be I guess. :p

    I hear EU is pretty dirty. If I wanna see poverty, I can drive down to Mexico.

    Nope. All it does is consume the cultures and identity of its member states and assimilate there populations into the new global PC culture. I guess if your a well connected, rich person, the EU is good. Donate to a politician, and they approve your contract. We have the same thing here and we're trying to save America from it.
     
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    72% - The highest since 1992

    Highest turnout amongst the over 60's. (Leavers), lower amongst young vote (Remainer), which is pretty normal turnout figures for most elections.

    Scotland and Northern Ireland were in the region of 55-60% turnout. Bot majority Remain countries.
     
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    100,000. They currently have 1.4 million, and counting.

    All it means is the the issue must be raised in parliament. It is not binding in any way.
     
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    After the misinformation of this bitter campaign, this cannot be emphasised more strongly.

    For example, the Transatlantic trade deal (TTIP) can only be ratified by the elected MEPs.
     
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    Great video on the vicious purpose of the EU and how it has harmed Britain, and why they should get out as fast as possible:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
    [video=youtube;UTMxfAkxfQ0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0[/video]

    The EU is run by a cabal that the people of Europe do not choose, cannot oppose and cannot get rid of.
    Under the rules of the EU this cabal can pass any law it wants and no one, not even the EU parliament can do anything about it except suffer the consequences. Thus, the EU is an Anti-democracy dictatorship.
    "Europe swallowed the sickle, and then took the hammer as a laxative" and it ain't working. RAIFWP

    See also Alex Jones' interview with a very knowledge-able & humorous English Lord
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5tdYj7Gl2I
    [video=youtube;p5tdYj7Gl2I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5tdYj7Gl2I[/video]
     
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    The Gazi's (global socialist) that run Britain, the EU, and the USA don't care about the will of the people. The people are merely drones that need enlightened leftist to dictate to them how to live. The Brits will soon find out they are nothing but slaves, there country, culture, and heritage are being replaced.
     
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    You forget that no member state of the EU has attacked another since 1945. This is the first time in history that this has been the case.
     
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    You don't know anything about the UK National Health Service, do you? Google is your friend.
     
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    It has never been an issue for Brexit in the campaign. Because it is not an issue.
     
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    However, the EU is attacking the people of Europe and as a puppet of the US, HATO, Vatican, Saudis & Israels has dragged Europe into self destructive wars with Yugoslavia, Libya and Syria which is the cause for the immigration crisis. On top of that, the EU has brought Europe to the brink of war with Russia.

    After Napoleon was stopped. Russia, France, Germany and other European nations made an agreement to treat each other as Christian brothers, to not initiate violence against each other and to protect civilians in case any hostilities might arise.
    This lasted past the British treachery against Russia in Crimea, but did not survive Abraham Lincoln and Karl Marx whose uncivil war in America shocked Europe and led to an arms race that was ultimately maneuvered into WW 1 and the rest of the Armageddons of the 20th Century that caused hundreds of millions to suffer and perish.
     
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    I checked that and it looks like there may be something in what you say. I took what I said from a) hearing that people with higher education were more likely to vote remain and b) that they were boasting about having managed to get so many people from counsel estates who have had no involvement in politics before or voted before to vote. However as you know so much about this perhaps you can say why Middle England Conservatives wanted out and why only Tories? In other areas Labour voters voted out. Is it possibly because in Middle England they didn't because they get a better education?

    I think that was covered in what you took out of context.

    as I said they were questioned on that and seemed to believe it was quite possible to slip it in. I am not certain but think this was the Leave people speaking. Basically it sounded like the whole thing was a sham. As I also said a further Ref was Johnson's original intention but the EU said at the time they would not accept it as I said earlier.

    A re-run is not what is intended. As I said the way they put it was that the vote on Thursday was on what they did not what to do - stay in the EU in the way Britain is now. To them the next vote will be on what they do want to do - in other words the terms. They would give them to the British Public and get them a Referendum about them. Alternatively they said given that it was such a close vote a party could go to the electorate on the basis of staying in the EU. They were questioned again on the legitimacy of this and said of course that is what you do in a democracy.

    As should be obvious they believed that they had a free hand on what they were going to do, even the terms they would ask and believed the EU would gratefully accept.

    I would have thought the biggest issue with this is that is shows the incredible corruption there is in British Politics. I am lost wondering whether they had any intention on leave or just saw this as a way of becoming politically noticed to go for PM and so on. They kept Farage in the background, offered a load of lies and did not even say what was going to happen. I heard Boris did not sound elated when he heard he had won. Why I brought this in is because yesterday Steady Pie said he did not think the elite would allow this to come to pass. Well the elite are on both sides but when I heard these people speaking last night the first thing I thought of was him because what they were talking about was pretty much completely ignoring the Referendum certainly as far as acting on it. There was also talk of Referendums being not much good for democracies and better for people to vote someone in on it in an election.

    and when you speak of destabilising I thought the fact that they did not give a damn about doing this, not just to us but to everyone else was beyond contempt.

    Now lest anywhere you are imagining any of this is my desire, I can tell you it is not. I think the Brexit vote is the worst thing to have happened to Europe and maybe further for a very long time but it was won by a democratic vote which should be honoured by England and Wales who voted this way.


    No one has called this. The EU up until when I last heard which was early this morning want it settled soon and want the UK out of the single market with a deal similar to Canada or Turkey. The catch as far as I can see it is simply whether they keep to that or give in to the British politicians. If they do the second, there may well be some form of civil disobedience though I suppose if you are right and the main people who voted Brexit where Middle England Conservatives, they may imagine they would be far to well mannered for that. To be frank, the way they were talking last night I thought they thought they would be too thick to notice.
     
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    The President of the EU is not an issue because they have many many presidents of unelected bureaus and the real power is an unelected cabal that controls the whole show.
    Even the various EU parliaments are not an issue because they are only for show, and have no power to alter or oppose the dictates of the cabal.
     
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    If it is not an issue, as you say, it certainly should be. If this is so it does not reflect well on the European people.

    It seems that many in Europe became complacent over who controls the issues but the majority has finally struck back.
     
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    I prefer my would be rulers dumb.
     
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    The appointed members may come and go but the bureaucracy and its numerous departments will always remain. This suggests a shift in the public acceptance of such a system.
     
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    1945? No 1939!
     

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