PM quits after UK votes to leave EU in historic Brexit referendum >>>MOD WARNING<<<

Obviously NATO has been primarily responsible for keeping the beast from the door of Europe since 1945. But by pouring petrol on the flames of the Ukraine, Libya, and Syria/Iraq, they have helped bring about a situation where the beast is once again scraping at Europe's door.

 

FYI-Britain joined the EU without the democratic consent of the people. There was no referendum.

While other nations did have a referendum.

Thats not cool.

 

It wasn't cool.
But it's been resolved. There is about to be a new influx of clowns onto the employment market.





Just like the EU, NATO's over expanded recently.
If the beast is scraping at the door, I want an alliance that is fit for purpose. That makes we safer not more at risk.
Allies who will be at my door when the beasts arrive. Not reckless allies, emboldened by my MAD. Unable or unwilling to ever help me. But ever ready to have me die for them in return.

Mutual defence pacts should be few and not many.

 

Obviously Brexiters will be expecting and not bothered by this

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...rkets-pound-shares-plummet-brexit-vote-carney

While the Brexiters remain quite Nicola works to retain Scotland's position in the EU

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629331

 

You are correct. However, two year's later in 1975, the people of the UK voted overwhelmingly to stay in. They obviously liked what they saw.

 

While we are on the subject. Here is a touch of prescient satirical genius that might clarify the whole debate!

[video=youtube;37iHSwA1SwE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

Or, as an alternative, you could respond to what I said.

 

Your point might be stronger if there weren't dozens of other countries throughout the world who have done very well without the EU support. Attracting investment through a business-friendly environment is the quickest way to success. An over-bloated bureaucracy is not an inducement to invest.

 

This is what you said. "That is NOT what the EU is saying. They're saying that this needs to be resolved at once with the UK gone and good riddance".

This is not the response of responsible adults. It is political pettiness.

 

Dialogue, diplomacy and trade can still be maintained and continued without a political EU.

 

NO. There are several very good reasons for this being important.

First is that the business world does not deal well with an unpredictable future. Their investment in product development and everything else they do is predicated on their assessment of the markets they are entering. Stuff like trade agreements are HUGE.

Next, there are other countries who could want to leave. The EU needs to make the internal changes that irritate member states and resolve the exit issues in order to ensure that other nations won't see leaving as an attractive option. The EU fails if it gets to a point where nations think they can glide in and out of membership. The EU succeeds only if there is solid, lasting commitment the EU members can count on.

I could go on.

 

Ireland would not have had been able to provide any sort of 'business-friendly environment' if it were not for EU structural investment. No EU. No moder Ireland. It really is as simple as that.

 

Then how have other countries become successful without "EU structural investment". There has to be other factors though I'm sure the EU supporters would want to give them the credit.

 

The EU is the largest single market on the planet, and access to it has been of enormous economic benefit to many impoverished countries throughout EU history. Including countries that were fascist states with basket case economies right up until the late 70's. The likes of Spain and Portugal may still be on their knees as a result of the 2008 crash and economic mismanagement, but if you go there on holiday you will be amazed at its functioning infrastructure. They have one of the best motorway networks in Europe, for example. The effect of being able to access such a large market without tariff or technical barriers to trade cannot be overlooked.

 

The UK is the world’s fifth biggest economy and survived, prospered and thrived for 400 years without an EU agreement. Instead of being economically bad, this will help the UK grow as it will be freer to trade and to rebuild the Anglosphere partnerships.

Besides, not having to send $500 million per week to Brussels can't hurt.

 

You introduced the comparison, what are your thoughts on the matter?

 

The EU Commission is elected by the EU Council which is comprised of the heads of state/government of the member states.

 

The problem is, the EU want the UK out as quickly as possible. As of yesterday morning protecting the EU is all that matters to the EU. All while a caretaker Prime Minister (Cameron), and potential PM (Boris) are calling for reflection. The UK will have to run exit negotiations, alongside setting up international trade negotiations, under the immense pressure of the market's ever watchful eye. All whilst the Tory government eats itself from the inside, and from without. No better country than the UK for this task, in my opinion. Administration is their forte. Let's hope it all works out for them, and that the EU avoids the temptation to stick the knife in.

 

LOL the USSR and Warsaw Pact were brutal 50 year military occupations. Every single one of the regimes of the Eastern Bloc were Soviet installed Moscow puppet occupation governments along the lines of Vichy France, the only exception to this rule was Yugoslavia which resulted in the Tito split with and expulsion from the Cominform, the only reason why this did not result in Soviet interventions is because Yugoslavia had achieved liberation from the Nazi's without Soviet military invasion and occupation, but as for Hungary and Czechoslovakia dissent from the Moscow line resulted in immediate military intervention. The Eastern Bloc was not some independent confederation of nations who had forged military and economic relations with the Soviet Union while still maintaining independence from the Soviet Union at the national level (even a nominal one) they were occupation governments installed by the Soviet Union, maintained through Soviet military force, and which implemented Soviet policy directed from the Kremlin. The EU on the other hand is completely voluntary and democratically elected to compare one to the other is a false analogy of the highest order.

 

He's a holocaust denier the assertion that he is not BNF is not tenable.

 

This is going to hinder English access to the European market just exactly how will this help English trade?

 

Yes yes Donbass infiltrated by Russian terrorists and instituting an armed camp there run by terror, rape, kidnapping, murder, and ethnic cleansing all perpetrated by the aforementioned Russian terrorists. I bet you're one of those Putinistas who believe the laughably fraudulent referendums were actually legitinate.

 

The people who voted for Brexit were told that they would go through a really difficult financial time, that is not in question. We know there is going to be a recession, what is not yet clear is how bad it will be, how long it will last and how far it will spread. We know that Britain's economy is going downhill. Where the Brexiters were deceived is in being led to believe they were going to gain 'freedom' from their increased poverty.

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It is and I don't believe he is.