So LGBT is a personal life style choice — so what?

No its not.

1. STRICT SCRUTINY (The government must show that the challenged classification serves a compelling state interest and that the classification is necessary to serve that interest.):

2. MIDDLE-TIER SCRUTINY (The government must show that the challenged classification serves an important state interest and that the classification is at least substantially related to serving that interest.):

3. MINIMUM (OR RATIONAL BASIS) SCRUTINY (The govenment need only show that the challenged
classification is rationally related to serving a legitimate state interest.)

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/epcscrutiny.htm

 

Wow ... you just figured that out now ? You are really on the ball today.

 

Well, we are beginning with the acceptance of government and law, licensing, regulating, dictating the terms and benefits to be provided by marriage, that will all be LIMITED to married couples, DENIED to the majority of Americans at any given time who are not married, tiny 1/2 of 1% adjustments to who is included isn't really limiting rights. It is making tiny adjustments to who is included and excluded. Marriage is discriminatory by design. I'm the one suggesting they should have extended marriage to any two "people" of age who desire to be married, not this silliness of gay marriage.

 

The government must show..... How are you not seeing this. Look you are just wrong on this one as over 30 courts have shown

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The government must show..... How are you not seeing this. Look you are just wrong on this one as over 30 courts have shown

 

Then what is the point of saying jumping into a discussion I'm having with someone else tangential to the OP and saying

"The point of the OP is that it does not matter whether or not it is a choice. "

If you are not making a point related to our discussion you should mind your own *******n business.

 

If you are not discussing the OP then make your own thread ... duh uhhhhh

 

Its perfectly acceptable to talk about issues tangential to an OP. It is not however polite to jump into someone else's conversation without having anything relevant to add. So shut it!

 

Nope.......

 

I was disputing your claim of "always" and I just proved you wrong.

 

Just because you could not deal with what was said does not make it irrelevant.

 

Marriage is no more a right than driving is. You need a license from the state for either

 

It does not matter how small the group is when a law is found to be discriminatory. EVERY right is discriminatory. NO right is absolute. But if a group sues the state MUST present a compelling interest in maintaining that discrimination. There is NO exception to strict scrutiny. I don't know where you get this nonsense.

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SCOTUS disagrees with you and have declared marriage a fundamental right since the Loving case.

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Exception must be well noted in law. There are NONE for strict scrutiny.

 

Yes and upheld slavery. They are not infallible . So then I can marry my cat or as many people as i choose. I have the right to marry

 

You must pass the test of strict scrutiny in each of those cases. They currently fail. Yes the court is fallibible. So is your opinion.

 

Marriage is a privilege granted by the state. Another case where SCOTUS blew it

 

You are entitled to your opinion. We could go with your opinion or that of SCOTUS. Both have the possibility of being fallible. I will risk going with SCOTUS.

 

Because thy favor your position. You do know you dont even have the right to vote ?

 

You are not granted a right because you provide some benefit to the state. You are granted a right because the state has no compelling interest in denying it to you.

 

You are not granted a right. Either you have it or you dont. Marriage is an invention of the state .

 

Then you have it. Glad we cleared that up

 

So then you admit its a privilege granted by the individual state not a right you are born with.

 

Nope its as much a right born to gays as it is to straights. Is voting a right that blacks are born with?

 

No one is born with the right to marry. You are born with the right to have sex and co habitate with who ever you choose. One more time marriage is a privilege invented by the state

Not even you are born with the right to vote. Again its a privilege granted by the government

 

The Supreme Court disagrees.

 

Wrong on both counts. Loving is my reference for marriage as a right. The 14th and 15th amendment is my reference for voting rights. This is from the voting RIGHTS act

Designed to enforce the voting rights guaranteed by the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, the Act secured voting rights for racial minorities throughout the country, especially in the South. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the Act is considered to be the most effective piece of civil rights legislation ever enacted in the country.[9]