So LGBT is a personal life style choice — so what?

To LGBTs: why bother justifying it with scientific studies? Are bigots gonna vanish overnight just because science back you people up? Science also points to the direction where there absolutely is not god. Yet half of the earth's population is religious.

To bigots. OK. Let's say you've proved that it's a matter of life style choice. Annnnd? Are you going to dress up in brown shirts and send them into gas chambers? Are you going to hold public shamings for them?

Why, to a lot of people, the 3 most scary words in the world are "Leave me alone"?

 

There is a debate on LGBT whether it is innate or learned behavior. I believe most people now believe that you are born that way. Other species become gay when they are overpopulated as it reduces population. Now we have artificial insemination and egg donors however.

 

The reason being is simple. the anti-LBGT folks want to discriminate against LGBT and if they can discriminate against a choice they feel much better than if they discriminate against someone that can't help who they are biologically.

I have yet personally to meet any homosexual that "Chooses" to be the way they are just like I didn't CHOOSE heterosexuality.

 

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The only choice involved is whether or not to live a lie, pretending to be a cisgender heterosexual.

 

What if he wanted to be a heterosexual. Are you going to deny him that?

 

That doesn't mean it's genetic. There are lots of unconscious preferences we develop that are not conscious choices and are not at all genetic.

The LGBT lobby plays the short game by trying to argue that it's genetic do they can piggyback the civil rights movement. The problem is that it's a lie. In the long game losing credibility hurts you more.

 

There is no scientific proof that shows its genetic. None. But the LGBT treat it as though it's scientific fact so they can try to pretend it's the same as race to try and push their agenda on everyone else.

People change their sexual preference all the time. Straight people will get divorced when one decides they are gay. Gay people decide they are bi sexual. Gay people or bisexuals decide they are straight.

The argument you hear on this occurrence is commonly

1.) They knew their sexual preference all along but decided to hide it.
2.) They had to explore first to figure out who they really were.
3.) They are individuals who can simply change their mind.
4.) They were just simply wrong about who they were.

Almost all of these are mutually exclusive.

On gender people chose to "transition". Some people decide they are gender clear (not man or woman), and some decide they change from one gender to another and back on a regular basis.

I dont know what the gene is for decided your a guy one month and a lady the next, then back again. And I'm very confused on why the entire society should change to accommodate that person's beliefs.

Why should someone's religous beliefs be refused by the government (not serving a cake to a gay couple) while the government forces someone's gender beliefs (I'm neither a man or woman having to be accommodated by a public school).

Why are we allowing the state or federal government to tell us which beliefs are allowed and not allowed?

 

SJW: LBGT IS NOT A CHOICE

SJW: GENDER IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT

Me: Do you even listen to yourself?

 

Amen to that!!

 

What are you talking about?

I've never seen scientific proof that anyone chooses their sexual-orientation.

Sure... there are people who ACT out or assume the role of heterosexuals, but their true inclination to be attracted to a particular gender, isn't chosen/decided like where you work or purchase a home; and at least THAT much thought would go into it. (Not to mention the numerous and likely awesome books and movies, that would have been written by the thousands, about various characters going through that decision making process. It would be a MASSIVE part of growing up. And likely, kids would literally be talking about it... openly.)

People don't choose to be heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual or asexual. I admit that it is still a scientific question as to how one becomes oriented... but no, people don't choose it. It's nevertheless fair to agree that it's unexplained.

 

The OP is right. So what? Its simply a scientific curosity. It being a choice or not has NOTHING to do with rights

 

That is ignorance talking, I think. You are just plain wrong... IF by "preference" you mean 'sexual-orientation'; people don't switch those... and certainly not "all the time".

What you're saying is not even close to 'reality'.

 

SJW: I DEMAND THAT YOU RECOGNIZE & APPRECIATE ALL MY SELF IDENTIFIED DIFFERENCES!

SJW: DON'T DISCRIMINATE!

Me: (SMH)

 

Are you arguing that because science cant 100% prove if something is a "choice" or not means the entire country should have to conform to that one person's lifestyle?

There is no scientific proof that people have a choice in being attracted to minors. There are minors who willingly have sex with adults. Should we all have to conform to that belief?

There is no scientific proof that people have a choice in being sexually attracted to animals. My rabbit tries to hump my arm every time I feed him. Should that be acceptable?

 

Again choice has nothing to do with rights. Rights can be denied based on the state having a compelling interest in doing so. It does not for gay people

 

So you're saying someone who has lived as a straight, gay, or bi person has never changed orientation?

I have a friend who's mother got a divorce and married a woman. Are you saying she was living a lie before? And who are you to tell someone how they feel?

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So than what is our innate rights as citizens of the United States, and which rights is the government allowed to give and take away?

 

Science is nowhere close, to proving sexual orientation is a choice; though many claim or imply it is a choice just as they have above.

That essentially amounts to propagating untruth.

 

People can decide to 'act' in ways that are incongruous with their actual sexual-orientation.

Millions of people do that.

Playing the role of a "heterosexual"... does not mean that you are actually a heterosexual.

 

Do I have the ability to deny someone's desire to be a heterosexual? No. They can wish that they were all they like.

'Wanting' to be something other than what you are doesn't make it so where orientation is concerned, though.

 

I think the point is, let the person be who they are or want to be. Not force one to live a lie. Didn't you get that out of the post?

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No one is pushing any agenda on you. You are never forced to be LGBT or even deal with them if you so choose.
As long as you aren't breaking any laws or trampling on other people's rights.

 

You expect people to conform to your lifestyle?
And no, you don't have to conform to another's lifestyle. Just don't break laws to accomplish it. Don't beat anyone up, don't berate them.
Just ignore.

 

The demand is not to be ignored.

The demand is to criminalize the dissent of those who refuse to recognize.

The demand is to externalize negative emotions, to blame them on others, and then to force others to take responsibility for them.

 

If we're going to round up people for lifestyle choices, can we add religious fundamentalist to that list, too?

 

But they don't need to prove genetic homosexuality to join the civil right movement because religion is also supported by that movement.

 

IF being gay were a learned behavior, it would vary dramatically over historical time and place- but in fact it has been in existence as long as any history records such things, in all races, religions, and locales around the world. There is extensive documentation of homosexual or gay behavior in a wide variety of animal species as well. That makes it pretty damn clear that it is a natural aspect of life- and being natural, not something you punish people for.