Will they repeal the ACA?

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  1. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe that is more because government both at the federal and state level 'helped' raising costs egregiously.
     
  2. Ted

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    we had capitalism when insurance competition was illegal??? It is always 100 % astounding what a liberal does not know.
     
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    yes when you have capitalism the incentive is to drive down costs as people shop with their own money and keep what they save!! Do you understand??
     
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    of course, which is why nothing government run is cheap
     
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    Really? Care to explain what you're talking about? Are you talking about them being exempt from anti-trust laws? That doesn't make competition illegal, just makes it voluntary. It means they can choose to price fix. However that doesn't dismiss the fact that the ACA was designed to setup a market that would have insurance companies compete for customers. It's always amazing what bull(*)(*)(*)(*) lies people will put on the internet.
     
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    In fact, interstate competition between health care insurance companies is illegal. Imagine if each state had to produce its own cars? That's what stupid stupid stupid liberals to health care. Do you understand??
     
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    You know states have different standards when it comes to insurance right? So you buy insurance from a different state but it doesn't meet your state standard and there's an issue. This is why cars are set to pass Californian standards since they tend to be the highest.
     
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    When pricing is based on competition the prices tend to come down. Plenty of examples out there.
     
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    "Also it's already "competition" based. " You're absolutely right, until all but one company pulls out of a state leaving a monopoly. Which is happening.
     
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    Not likely, in fact I'm willing to wager they will keep it as a whole and increase the penalty on the individual mandate. After all, libertarian and conservative paradise AKA Switzerland forces citizens to have health insurance, or face potential jail time.

    I'm saying this because it will be political suicide for the GOP to repeal this, and take away health insurance from dozens of millions of Americans, and they can't keep the two popular things without making the costs go up, thereby angering the GOP donor base who are very fiscally conservative/libertarian who don't like Social Security and Medicaid.
     
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    Since the day the ACA was passed, we have heard American conservatives DEMAND that it be repealed...and heard American conservative politicians VOW to do so.

    Of course they were doing all that demanding and vowing while they had no power to do it...and knew they could not do it.

    Now...they have the power to do it...and suddenly the demands seem to be abating...and the American conservative politicians seem fine with waiting to get it done...or with saying that it actually does not have to be done.

    What's with all that?
     
  12. Quantum Nerd

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    Well, it is hard to take health insurance away from 20 million Americans, even if you are a social Darwinist Republican.

    In any case, even though the calls for repeal have become a lot weaker, now that the GOP is actually in a position to do something, this fight is not over. One should never underestimate the drive of the right no push through anti-social, individualist policies.
     
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    Actually America is the most successful on earth and the most individualist. What does that teach you. Health care is the most social industry we have and so the most screwed up . Do you understand?
     
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    Dozens of millions? It's 20 at the highest projection I've seen. Get your facts straight.
     
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    He is going to repeal and replace. He only said it 1000 times. What planet have you been on??
     
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    I hope for your sake that you'll never have to use the social safety net. Most people don't realize how much it is worth until they themselves get into the unfortunate position to use it. As another fact, without a safety net, risk taking would become, well, much more risky and, thus, innovation would decline.

    On another note, if you don't stop the condescending tone of your posts, you may just as well stop answering my posts. Because I won't bother with your's if you keep up the "do you understand now" cr**. And I bet a lot of other posters won't either.
     
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    the safety net slowly starved 60 million to death in China. Removing it to make people workers rather than moochers is making everyone rich. Do you understand?
     
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    sure but do you realize that liberals are considered totally without brains or worse? Showing respect for East German thinking in 2016 is insanity and yet it is what liberal would have us do. Is there any basis to think of liberals as anything but perfectly without brains. If so please say what it is. Thank you.
     
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    replace it with what!?
     
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    Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
    Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
    Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
    Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
    Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
    Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
    Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.
    The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation’s government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.
     
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    The Republican leadership has been grandstanding since the ACA was enacted...proposing repeal over 60 times.

    Now that they have the congress and president who can do it, they ought to have the guts to put one of those bills back up for consideration.

    Do not hold your breath!
     
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    Trump said he would do it and so did Congress leadership!! What planet have you been on???
     
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    Oh, my gosh...a whole bunch of politicians say they will do it.

    Whatever am I thinking!

    Gimme a break, Ted.

    And give yourself one...so you won't be too disappointed.
     
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    The issue is why would we keep the soviet East German Affordable Care Act when we now know the care in not affordable and Barry lied about keeping your doctor and 100 other things!!
     
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    You worry too much. We were fine before Obama care and we will be fine after.
     

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