Here is a question for the left wing college elite

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  1. upside222

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    Of course you did. That's what the whole exchange was about.

    You were even reduced to saying the big banks bought the very securities they already owned!

    I would deny that too if I were you!
     
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    Not that long period of time and hundreds of nuclear tests occurred above ground.
     
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    Please provide evidence of this claim. Without it, the rest of your post is just useless drivel ( hint, you wont be able to produce any. )



    And why do the right hate educated people so much? Oh ya. Cause educated people tend to vote democratic. Uneducated tend to vote Republican.

    No wonder the right hates advanced education so much.


    Also, clue here. Most "lefties" consider Trade School to be a higher education, and far from worthless.
     
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    https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+unedicated+voter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
    Lots of leftist vitriol regarding the "uneducated".
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The lack of reading comprehension has exceeded the limits that I am prepared to tolerate so I am purchasing a one way ticket to Cyberia on your behalf. Nothing personal, just that I see no point in wasting any more time on posting the same established facts over and over again without any perceptible increase in comprehension.

    And yes, you do get to have the "last word" although I won't be able to see it myself but that is why PF so kindly provides the Cyberia option to ensure that civil discourse can continue albeit with different participants.

    Have a nice day!
     
  6. upside222

    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would run away too if I were you. It must be embarrassing to have nothing to offer other than argumentative fallacies.
     
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    Sorry but I'm not one to blindly accept propaganda as you seem to be. The housing crises at the end of the of Bush's presidency was miniscule compared to the one in the 80's and 90's where whole blocks of houses were under foreclosure. Don't take my word for it. Go on-line and look up the numbers for yourself. The federal government as well as most states and many private entities post massive amounts of data. Pour through the statistics and you'll discover that your right-wing puppet masters having been lying to you.

    If you pay attention to the time line you'll see that massive numbers of people were losing their jobs well before the so-called housing issue hit. Do you not think that people losing their jobs had something to do with the uptick in mortgage failures?

    Playing into the delusion that everything liberals and Democrats do is bad and everything conservatives/Republicans do is good, your puppet masters used the rather innocuous housing bubble to create the false narrative so as to hide the fact that Republican economic ideology is what drove the economy into the dirt. Or as Obama put it, drove the bus into the ditch.

    For further proof of the half-assed-backwards nature of Republican economic ideology one only has to look to Kansas where they enacted said economic ideology in its fullness. Kansas promptly turned into the economically worse performing state in the country. Compare this to Oregon where liberal ideology prevails. Oregon is tied with equally liberal California with the fastest growing economy in the country.
     
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    25kV isn't that great a voltage. On CRT's, what television screens used to be, there is a plug that plugs into the side in the back. The voltage on it is 10kV. Transmission lines are at 600kV and more. In particle accelerators, voltages can reach the gigavolt range.

    What could an electromagnetic pulse be other than a sudden emission of a large number of photons? Photons can do only one thing. Fly in a straight line at the speed of light until it collides with an atom or particle. The effect that you are talking about, can only come about by photons knocking electrons loose. Yet where do the electrons go. Thanks to the beauty of quantum mechanics we know that the electron can fly off in any direction, especially when one conciders the Compton effect, where the accelerated electron will emit a second photon but with a longer wavelength, thus less energy, compounds any initial momentum concerns. This is essentially the 2nd law of thermodynamics in action.

    In order for the electrons to do damage, large numbers have to be directed somewhere. On a photovoltaic cell, if it is set out in the sun, free electrons will form, but they will be directionless. In order to get work out of them one needs to complete a circuit. Besides with all the free electrons there becomes plenty of positively charged ions attracting them back. I could go on and on, but suffice it to be that, except for the immediate vicinity, I do not think that such a blast would have much of an impact, as much of the electromagnetic energy would be too widely dispersed.

    Nikola Tesla tried to develop a device that would pump large amounts of electromagnetic energy into the atmosphere. He had hoped that such a device could make energy available to anyone simply by raising an antenna. This ended in failure. The problem is that you just can't get that much useful electrical energy out of electromagnetic waves.

    Everywhere in the US, if you take a properly tuned antenna, you will find that everywhere there is a 60 hertz signal. Yet, even if standing under a 600kV transmission line, you will only be able to pick-up no more than a millivolt or so of useful energy from your antenna.

    By the way, fields are fundamental. You, I, and everything else, are but excitations on fields.
     
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  9. Kode

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    Your irrational contempt is showing again.
     
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    How nice for you! Here, have a cookie.
     
  11. AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS

    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    So glad I didn't go get leftwashed.. I'll have an actual productive and successful life..

    Now if only I didn't have to pay so much of everyone's welfare...
     
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    Freshmen and seniors at about 200 colleges across the U.S. take a little-known test every year to measure how much better they get at learning to think. The results are discouraging.

    At more than half of schools, at least a third of seniors were unable to make a cohesive argument, assess the quality of evidence in a document or interpret data in a table, The Wall Street Journal found after reviewing the latest results from dozens of public colleges and universities that gave the exam between 2013 and 2016. (See full results.)

    At some of the most prestigious flagship universities, test results indicate the average graduate shows little or no improvement in critical thinking over four years. . .
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/exclus...o-improve-critical-thinking-skills-1496686662

    Indoctrination isn't knowledge.
     
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  13. Kode

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    You pay more to the bloated, unaudited, wasteful defense budget than you do to anyone's welfare. Why don't you complain about that?
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So many with a fine arts degree ask----------------------------------do you want fries with that burger!!!!!! :)
     
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    I have a degree in Geography.

    Make a lot more money than a burger flipper
     
  16. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is a useful subject.
     
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    Basically speaking, we need a wide range of people using their talent and skills for an economy. A community full of humanities Ph.D.s isn't going to run well, but neither is a community full of unskilled workers. We need all kinds of people, and those suited to trades should do trades. Those suited to being medical doctors should do that, etc. To say any one type of profession is better than all the rest, or more essential is short-sighted.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Depends on the person's drive. Theoretically I can see how your idea works. The problem is that it is hit or miss.
     
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    I've studied the issue in depth. If you don't have massive lay-offs, then people don't default on their mortgages, there is no recession and you are none-the-wiser.
     
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    Social programs are a much bigger part of the budget and I don't mind paying for the military..
     
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    I think what your getting at, is a ton of ressources go into useless education, which follows a lot of useless jobs being created mainly on state funding.
    All while this expert elite is not only oversized, but disconnected to the "real world" in which most people live their lives.

    Correct?
     
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    Have you *ever*, even once, looked at the insulation and wire routing used in an old cathode ray TV or oscilloscope? Why do you suppose they put mu-metal shields and Faraday cages around the CRT compartment?

    Someday you should try using an idiot-stick to discharge the 10kV on a crt just to watch the sparks! And when I worked for a local power company as a lineman we used to see 6 foot arcs or longer drawn out when opening a switch on a high voltage line, even one as low as 18kV!

    Voltage and field strength are *NOT* the same. A 600kV transmission line doesn't create a field of 20kV/m. Take a look at the units used for each!

    And it is obvious you didn't bother to read the article I directed you to. They actually calculate the coherent part of the gamma rays generated by the blast. It isn't just electrons all flying off randomly.

    The rest of your post is just smoke. It doesn't relate to the subject at all. Classically, it is teh argumentative fallacy known as a non sequitur. More commonly known as "baffle'em with BS".
     
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    People were losing their jobs in the late 90's and early 2000's BECAUSE OF THE COLLAPSE OF THE DOT.CM BUBBLE!

    *Not* because of a housing crisis! The collapse of that bubble was recovered from by 2006 because of Bush's tax cuts.

    If you want to look at where Democrat policies take you then look at Illinois! It is going to be the first state to declare bankrupcty, not Kansas! California is not far behind Illinois!
     
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    I'm not so sure it's that much of a chancy thing. I'd sensibly figure those who get to college have enough "drive", they graduated from high school, passed some sort of admissions test, assembled transcripts, references, had to write a persuasive letter of application, complete the forms, if they financed with student loans there's that whole process, all of this takes some skill and determination, likely more than the average part-timer working at some franchise restaurant.

    No doubt there are plenty of low level workers at these restaurants who are at a dead end, stuck and not going anywhere, but my hypothetical has someone with the intellectual capacity to earn a marketable college degree, not some pampered silver-spooned trust-fund heir marking time on his daddy's dime.

    If you took two comparable individuals and put one through college and the other on a plan to invest the time, money and effort it takes to earn a degree on some income-generating occupation, does the college formula make more sense? Most college graduates do have higher incomes, but there's a lot of them working part-time in Starbucks for minimum wage. I know college graduates working as interns -for nothing! That college higher income isn't instantaneous the moment you get the degree.
     
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    I've never alleged anything of the sort. But, I am like the rest of Americans who don't think a college degree is the cure all, be all, road to ability and worth. I mean I'm an educated idiot and most of what helps me through life is things I learned outside of school.
     

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