A 50-Year Occupation: Israel’s Six-Day War Started With a Lie

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  1. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Palestine is a country? You're kidding?

    Israel Is and enjoying an unprecedented rise in foreign relations. It's a fact. Enemy ALL governors of all 50 US states have signed an anti BDS declaration and one by one, making it illegal for their states to trade with companies, supporting BDS. But you do know it already, right?

    How Palestinians are doing? Ah yes, three more homes are about to be demolished... for a good reason, too.
     
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    Even if Arafat himself wanted peace - and I doubt that he did - he knew better than anyone else that signing a peace treaty with Israel was signing his own death warrant. arabs as a group don't want peace with anyone, and there's no better demonstration of that than history.
     
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    Certainly Anwar Sadat would agree.
     
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    Well, then they are much better off now than they would have been with the agreement and Statehood, so Yea, Arafat!

    Bill Clinton: Israel offered Temple Mount to Palestinians in 2000
    Deal failed because Arafat also wanted control of area leading to tunnels, where ‘you could do mayhem to the ruins of the temples’

    the agreement fell through over a sliver of land near the Western Wall.

    Israel, he said, agreed to hand the Palestinians control of the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism and the compound where al-Aqsa Mosque is situated, on the condition that the area around the Western Wall remain under Israel’s control.

    Arafat agreed to leave Israel with control over the Western Wall, as well as over the Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, but insisted on keeping 16 meters, or 50 feet, of land leading up to an entrance to the Western Wall tunnels under Palestinian control.

    Israel refused, on the grounds that the tunnel granted access to remains of the Jewish temples. In retrospect, Clinton said, Israel was probably justified in its refusal, as “if you got in, you could do mayhem to the ruins of the temples.”
    That was the 1995 Oslo accords that Arafat signed.

    In the 2000 agreement, Arafat refused to sign, Clinton said Israel agreed to give up 96 percent of the West Bank.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/bill-clinton-palestinians-were-offered-temple-mount-in-2000/
     
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    They had a vote on it in the UN and everything.
    happy days.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit

    Additional grounds of rejection was that the Israeli proposal planned to annex areas which would lead to a cantonization of the West Bank into three blocs

    Nope. You're wrong. Israel demanded their Jew apartheid state still had sovereignty over all of the WB and Gaza by demanding they were allowed to invade with their army as often and long as they wanted. And split the nation in 4 easy blocks to control. That, and thieve all of Jerusalem, and pay a lousy 30 billion dollars for ethnic cleansing and thieving from 700.000 people.

    Of course the Palestinians would refuse such a deal. Any country would.
     
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    Palestine is a state de jure.
    As the territory, under international law, belongs to Israel, Palestine is not, and cannot be, an actual, de facto state until the Israelis agree to it.
     
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    Nope. Under international law.. Israel is Israel without Gaza, Golan, the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
     
  9. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They had a vote on it? Mozel Tov! Incidentally, what's the currency of this UN approved country, do you know?
     
  10. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tough luck.
     
  11. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But of course. And Palestinians are much, much, much better off now. Such a wisdom, such a foresight!
     
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    Because they were given a massive piece of land compared to the % of the population. And they ethnic cleansed it from the start. The Jews still are ethnic cleansing and expanding their apartheid state. They should come to turns that they made war crimes.[/QUOTE]
    Would have happened to us if they won the war they started, that's why they started it in the first place to banish the Jews and confine them to one tiny area, in fact they managed to drive Jews away from Jerusaelm and Hebron, do you dare to check dates and find out who started this ethnic cleansing thru war ? didnt think so :)
     
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    What the Israelis did was to defend themselves, and the fact that the enemy were of one ethnic variety is usually the case when one
    people attacks another people. And it is not my definition. It is thee definition.
     
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    The Israelis continue to defend their country, not to enlarge their state, but to eradicate the aggression against them. If Mexico attacked us, do you think that Trump would cheerfully drive them back over the border so that they could attack us again? In my view he would
    drive them way back to prevent future attacks on American soil, and he would occupy Mexican territory. You sound like one of those
    anti semitic MFckers, with your obnoxious "Jew state" mentality.
     
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    Generally accepted history among liberals who hate Israel and want the arabs to destroy it
     
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    ... the WB belongs to Israel.
    Jordan ceded it to Israel by treaty in 1994; the opinion of the UN does not and in fact can not override this.
    As such, "Palestine" cannot exist as a de facto state until Israel gives up the land.
     
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    Why do Palestinian defenders hate so much to call West Bank it's real name? Judea and Samaria are awesome names, and been called like this for millennia's.

    The question is mostly rhetorical, we're all know why.

    West Bank is just a geographical location.
     
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    Many a good question could be asked of the anti-Israelis.
    None of them will give an honest answer.
     
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    Well that is a no in 2 ways.
    You lot made it the law to that Palestinian civilians may not return when ethnic cleansed because they aren't Jews,... way after the war. And you lot ethnic cleansed civilians who wouldn't have done a thing, not soldiers. So all you're muttering now is a disgusting lie why ethnic cleansing civilians is totally fine.
     
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    Ethnic cleansing 100.000's civilians is defending yourself? Yeah, I guess the holocaust was a defense strategy as well.
     
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    The world says no
     
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    I don't know about the numbers, but when a country is attacked again and again, the answer is to try and eliminate the threat of future attacks, whatever it takes.
     
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    It wasn't attacked before because it didn't exist before the Jews ethnic cleansed 100.000's of civilians.
     
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    Read your history book. It may not have existed, but the Jews were attacked many times by Arabs, whether a state or not.
     

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