Do you really know what socialism really is?

I was there. Vietnam was mostly done by south Vietnamese supported by the North until the very end.
Afghanistan defeated the Russians, and we have been fighting there in the longest war in American History right up to today. With all our fancy weapons, we cannot beat them.
And Yugoslavia's battle was in 1944/45, There was no UN in existence then.
Guerrilla tactics have defeated many an army of a more powerful government or invader.

 

Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan?

We've been at war with Afghanistan for 17 years!!!! This is a small third world country that we simply can't win.

Sorry, but it's a lot like NASA. At it's inception, we managed to build a manned rocket that can land on the moon and return. Nowadays, we can't even get one off the launching pad.

 

I don't disagree that people can push themselves to better themselves, but capitalism ran amok is not good either. Look at the banks that become too big to fail, and pharma and insurance industries stepping all over the good of the patient with obscene drug prices and refusal to pay for hospitalizations and doctor visits in full. Irresponsible capitalism is just as bad as heavily socialist countries.

 

While we haven't defeated Afghanistan, are we at war with Afghanistan? Or certain factions operating within Afghanistan? You don't think if we went in with all we have, we couldn't defeat Afghanistan?
Didn't Yugoslavia end up part of USSR? Or at least protected by them? Likely helped in war by them.

 

Are we talking about a mix of socialism with other approaches or pure socialism?

 

Socialism is the coward's communism. Socialists think they can outsmart people into wealth redistribution and disarmament because they don't have the courage to do actually start the revolution. The goal is the same in the end, stealing from those who have to bribe those who don't, then making everyone equally miserable, then killing the dissenters, then collapsing because the system was designed to suck from the start. Except that idiots always think it has been poorly implemented, dozens of times, and this time will be different...

 

Based on many posts here I say that it is not only the young ignorants who do not know what real socialism is there are adults and older adults here who do not know what socialism is. That extends to some herd who create threads about socialism.

 

Socialism will never go away because it is the ideological shadow of capitalism. Just like capitalism was the shadow of feudalism.
Those of you who so confidently criticize socialism should remember how confidently you supported the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions in 2001 and 2003 and how complacent you were of the American economy before it crashed in 2008. I do not take you ignorant people seriously. You are about as wise as boiled eggs.

 

And you must be the "Hillary is a shoe in" supporter, who ended up with EGG on their faces. And I support NO invasion. IF you read my postings, I think we should cut the military budget by 75%, bring all the troops home and put them on the borders with a shoot to kill all invaders orders. And anyone bringing drugs or human trafficking over the border, take them alive and burn them at the stake.

 

Socialism will never go away because it is how a lot of our social functions operate, from families to churches to neighbors in need of a cup of sugar. What seemingly won't go away are the morons who think that it should be compulsory.

See, those '***** are the reason why so many people were killed by so many so-called "socialists/communists".

If you want to be a socialist, great!!! Go off and do whatever it is you want with your like-minded socialist comrades and more power to ya. If you're waiting for the rest of us, it won't happen.

 

If that's the life you want for yourself and your family, go for it.
You might win, most don't.

Ask yourself this, are you really looking at the Taliban and seeing "win".
Personally I recommend seeking alternate role models for your life.

 

This is the "last resort" type of thing and nobody says it will be easy or successful. I suppose YOU would rather accept your slavery than throw off your chains and die a free man?

Remember, Cowards die a thousand deaths, the brave free man only once. IF it comes to that bottom line, I will follow what Jefferson (I believe it was Jefferson) said about every 20 years or so about tyrants and patriots.

Oh, and have already been there and seen it done and it was UGLY for both sides. That is the real reason we left Viet Nam, Their determination (the Viet Cong) beat our superior weaponry. Remember also, it is not the size of the dog in the fight, it is the size of the fight in the dog. Look at our revolutionary war. We came close to losing that many times, but the troops and citizens fought on.

 

You can't have either without a continued increase in authority. "Road to serfdom" laid this march out clearly.

 

All these terms are so confused now that we need to re-evaluate discussion of politics and economics.

 

Socialism is religion.

 

Those are not examples of capitalism. The government has to offer privilege to corps for them to become too big to fail or gain FDA approval. Without corporatism, banks would not continuously consolidate and health care prices would drop.

 

Just like climate change. And like preachers, they embellish and outright lie about it. Scientist NEED that paycheck, because without the global warming lie, they would have to find another "cheese" as this one would be moved.

 

No, it's actually a political ideology.

 

I agree. I think political ideologies should be classified in the way we classify animals. With subgroups and such. This "left" and "right" model makes no sense since there is often too much overlap.

 

Hopefully it is false, I'd hate to ignore them only to find out I was wrong.

 

And who on the left pleads for this?

Nobody wants pure socialism or pure capitalism as both in their pure form are horrible systems that dont work.

You need a mix of both as all modern OECD countries have .

Stop labeling people with pointless label and fear mongering and look at what they propose.

 

The problem with this is that you're saying nothing more than a parasite needs a host.

Sorry, but the dog doesn't necessarily concede the necessity of fleas. Fleas need the dog, but not the other way around.

 

Then i suppose capitalism is the dog and socialism the fleas?

Thats not a correct comparison as "the dog" benefits from this as well. See it as a pack of wolves hunting together. The individual wolves benefit from the pack. If it goes to far to one side the pack starts to suffer.

 

When one tiny group, say, 1% just for example, holds more wealth than a very alrge group of compatriots, say, oh, around 40% or so, who is the host and who the parasite?

 

No, socialism is not voluntary, whereas capitalism is.

Socialists need capitalists to fund their socialism, but capitalists don't need socialists.