Why would you Oppose a wall on our Border? Lets find out.

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    Most drugs come in at the 48 border crossing checkpoints or they come into airports.
     
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    True..

    Secure checkpoints along the American-Mexican border have become an increasingly popular entrance for drug smugglers entering the United States, a fact that could undermine President Donald Trump's argument for a border wall.

    Customs agents at the San Ysidro Port of Entry, the busiest land border crossing in the world, check 50,000 vehicles and 20,000 pedestrians on an average day — and they do it 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Located just south of San Diego and a few miles north of Tijuana, there are countless attempts to bring drugs across the border: some successful, some not.


    “We’re looking at everyone. We’re looking at illegal narcotics, heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, fentanyl, all entering the borders,” said Sidney Aki, Customs and Border Protection Director of the San Ysidro Port of Entry.

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    At San Ysidro alone, border agents aren’t surprised if they grab as many as six or seven loads of drugs during an average day.

    “On a yearly basis, we're going to deal with 75 million travelers, coming across the border,” Director Flores said. “Drug smugglers feel there are opportunities to mix in with the general population, who are vastly compliant with what the laws are.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/drug-smugglers-mexico-use-border-crossings-spite-walls-n724341
     
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    Many welfare bums have never held a job and will have to learn from rhe ground up

    But there is no reason that they cant be productive Americans
     
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    There is no reason why they shouldn't be productive. The only thing that I can think of is that they develop a welfare mentality where
    they are always looking for a way to milk the system. And they can't milk if they are working.
     
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    Wrong, guess again. Welfare is a privilege, not a right. The Dims managed to put a provision in the law, that's all. It's no different than the loophole like "catch and release".

    Your type of bassackwards logic is the same drivel spewed by open border liberals who say illegals have a right to come here.
     
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    I dont expect the people on welfare to become employee of the year

    Maybe at best they can just get by while setting some example for their children

    Its important that we break the cycle of welfare dependence somewhere
     
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    Should small business be responsible for this?
     
  8. dairyair

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    There were 16 maps. Yes.
    Your questions are so childish, the answer to most every question you ask is in the post you respond to.
     
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    There is no Trump plan to build border security that has ANY resemblence to a wall around a house.

    First of all, there isn't even a plan at present. And, $5.7 isn't going to be enough to build a wall such as what you talk about.

    Beyond that, most who come here and stay illegally aren't coming by running a border. They are coming through legal ports of entry and then staying.

    The 2013 bill created in bipartisan committees in the Senate and House passed the Democratic Senate. That bill addressed thee major ways AND REASONS for entering and staying illegally. That included $44B over 10 years for our southeern land border.
     
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    Nah, the dems know that if they cave to Trump now, he'll just rinse and repeat in the future. And holding federal employees and government services hostage ain't the path to greatness.

    I think the Stop the STUPIDITY act introduced by Warren is the solution going forward, so the grown ups in the crowd can get on with the business of the nation, first and foremost.
     
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    ??? Your think Trump is keeping the actual plan a secret? Seriously? How would Trump gain by not presenting a valid justification for his wall pieces?
    They are caving to dictatorial process designed to subvert the very purpose of having a legislative branch of government.

    Dems have passed several bills through the House that would end the shutdown.

    So, I don't know what you're complaining about.
    I don't see a justification for reopening the shutdown you reference.

    Let's just remember that Republicans lost on that one.

    And, they aren't winning this one, either.

    Several of the problems with this shutdown today can be traced to the fact that Trump has zero ability to negotiate anything he actually cares about and shares the total disrespect for government that many Republicans have been promoting for a long time.
     
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    I get the rhetorical tactic. A never ending spiral of specious and spurious questions.

    BTW, it isn't a wall any longer. Its a continuation of the fences already in place, not concrete, not from sea to sea and not being paid for by Mexico.
     
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    It really doesn't relate well at all. The comparison suggests that those who cross the border the same as convicts in a prison. That suggests a danger that is simply not statistically valid.

    If you want to reduce it down to the argument that a dozen is too many, how will you deal with the fact that a wall will not reduce the number of crossings/drugs/illegals to that point you consider safe? Most illegals in this country came legally. Most drugs cross through legal points of entry.

    The best you can argue is that a barrier might reduce illegal crossings, or funnel those crossing into a smaller area that can be better patrolled.

    Given the fact that border crossings are down significantly, it is not realistic to call this the kind of crisis that demands spending billions immediately. It's quite obviously a political stunt.
     
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    Democrats must have been told to keep chanting this.

    Let's see the basis for those chants? Persuade me using facts.

    Even here, based on what are they down as you say? Is this the result of the Obama wall?
     
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    Paul Ryan sent them to the Senate where Democrats killed them. Why did Schumer kill them?
     
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    If you want to discuss a bill, then identify that bill.


    Why should I be surprised that Ryan sent the Seenate something that had no Democratic support?? Are you somehow thinking that House Dems were allowed to be part of meaningful negotiation on ANY topic of import?
     
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    If you're not going to offer proof of your assertions then don't ask others to.
     
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    That meme died when Manafort's "relationship" was with the Ukraine, not Russia. I see you think the US should foot the entire cost of NATO to protect Europe.
     
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    51,379 X $139.40 = $7,162,232.60 I rounded the $139.40 to $140, sorry.

    That's $7,248,800 just for a bed per day. That's not counting health care or legal fees. $7,248,800 X 365 = $2,645,812,000 per year. They are costing us half of what Trump's asking for a wall PER YEAR not including health care and legal fees.

    I doubt you've ever never dug a ditch in the southwest. The soil bakes in the hot sun with precious little water and is hard as cement. Besides ground sensors would pick up the vibrations of digging 15+ feet down in rock hard soil to get under the wall. The other way is scale a 30ft ladder, navigate 3 rows of razor wire and other anti-personnel barriers setting off intrusion sensors then climb down another 30ft ladder and run off before the border patrol arrives. Oh and by the way a fall from the razor wire on top will be fatal. Will it stop everyone, of course not. However, those wanting to find themselves in the United States might find a casket instead. But we're talking about a real concrete wall with razor wire and anti-personnel devices. A steel fence us useless........

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    ...one of these, a few blades and battery packs and you could drive an suv through the hole. Unless they use carbide steel for the fence, why bother. Carbide steel would make the fence cost a few hundred time a concrete wall.
     
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    Because it's a very stupid question, didn't think I had to but I'll answer it just for you. The berlin wall was built to keep people in, the wall in Israel and the future southern border walls are meant to keep people out.
     
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    They don’t foot the entire cost of Nato.
     
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    Israel’s wall works because they are at war with perennial terrorist PLO and reserve the right to shoot people through the fence. Are we at war with Mexico ? Plus, Mexico’s did not pay for their wall, we did. Plus, they just took Palistinian land.
    Are we taking private Texas land ? Plus, no Palistinian hardware stores with quick saws to cut through fence. No comparissn between the two.
     
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    Funny. You just didn't agree. So you deny, deflect, and dodge.
    Again, fine by me.
    You don't want to deal with reality.
    Didn't really expect you to.
     
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    The walls are a check valve? People can only flow 1 way through a wall?
     
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    Trump, not knowing much about science , offers head of NASA unlimited funds to go to a Mars.
    Too funny......how much money is in the trillion dollar deficit and really, no plan to get back from a 300 day trip that had better start making plans to leave quickly. Trump ? He’s giving billions to an institution he thinks is a hoax..
     

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