Waffen SS Vets March Openly In Latvia

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The SS was a paramilitary force and was not under the German military command which had a strict code of behavior. This is why they were declared a criminal organization at the end of the war. The SS were in charge of the extermination camps. If they were sent on the front lines in Russia, it was to round up the civilians for extermination. Twenty million Russians died, most of them civilians - and that's not a small number.

 

No one's condemning the German soldiers, and there are German cemeteries in the countries they conquered during WWII. We're talking about the SS which were in charge of the extermination camps and did Hitler's dirty work. Germans were not conscripts in the SS, they were volunteers, so it's strange that they would conscript Latvians. I guess they felt they were worthy additions.

 

But with modern warfare, civilian deaths always outnumber those killed while serving in the military.

Talley up all wars since the first modern war fought (American Civil War) 14 civilians for every soldier killed on the battlefield.

During WW ll I believe I could be wrong but 58% who were killed were civilians.

Look at the Vietnam War, well over a million civilians killed.

 

SS divisions in German armies were under Wehrmacht command, Jeannette.

The SS were active echelons in the Army Rear Command, dedicated to exterminating designated enemies of the Reich.

Three of every seven Russians were either killed, wounded, or suffered physical injury in other ways: by the German Army.

 

Payback's a bitch, ain't it?

More than 3 million Russian POW's died in nazi hands. Eye for an eye and all that biblical vengeance bullshit for ya.

 

That's a little overgeneralized.
Not all, or even most, of them were involved in those actions.

Mostly they were just waging a war against Soviet Russia.

 

On the Western Front during WW ll the Waffen SS were the Hells Angels.










The faces of the Waffen - SS



"Fast" troops






In the lead ...



In the lead...















With and ...



... behind the Panzer

Before a great cause



When does it start?

 

No, they were just trying to fight for the independence of their nation, Lithuania, and prevent it from being taken over by the Soviet Communists.

 

You can boo, that is your right, but it is not in the right.

 

It could have been worse, in the Pacific theatre of war the unofficial order was..."No prisoners were to be taken."

"Kill or be killed"

 

Yes, it is in the right. SS and Nazis deserve no honor.

 

They were and obviously still NAZIS. Where is the pride in that? They should be ashamed.

 

Well, obviously, you're blind.

 

The U.S Cavalry butchered it's way across North America and it's native populations.

 

You enjoy Hollywood movies, huh?

 

Sure did, NMNeil, and generally got away with it.

You, however, mistake that the mores internationally had changed dramatically by the end of WWII. If you could, ask those nearly 160 Americans who were hanged or shot for murder, rape, and desertion in Europe, the deceased would tell you times had changed.

But that in no way excuses the Waffen SS.

 

It seems like everyone so effectively programmed to vilify the Wehrmacht & Waffen SS "learned" about those organizations from the Boob Tube.

- "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish descent."CONTINUED


- “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

“If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED

 

I do, but I have never seen a movie about the trail of tears which my Cherokee wife has told me about.

 

Waffen SS Vets?? Don’t be stupid, if any Vets left from the Waffen SS they would be well into their nineties and most are long dead.

Did you do math at school?

 

I believe that you're confusing the Totenkopf SS with the Waffen SS both of which had Jewish individuals who were members of the Nazi party (1).

The Waffen SS were no more ruthless than any other country's military forces as far as cruelty to civilians. They were simply better trained, better organized and generally better soldiers which explains why they were so widely resented by the Allies.

While living, going to school & working in Germany, I worked with a Waffen SS Veteran in 1974 who was a stone mason & no different than any other combat Veteran except for being tortured after capture by the Soviets and losing his entire family to Allied carpet & fire bombing.
I fail to see how executing innocent civilians via fire bombing is any less heinous than execution by any other means, especially incineration.(2)

“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
Winston Churchill(2)



(1)"List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish descent."CONTINUED


(2) "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/

EXCERPT "Meanwhile, Prime Minister Churchill had ordered the saturation bombing of Dresden, where, on February 13 1945, more than 500,000 German civilians and refugees, mostly women and children, were slaughtered in one day by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF), who dropped over 700,000 phosphorus bombs on the city.

Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier:

“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”CONTINUED

 

Only when they were at the front.

The SS were the elite, and consisted of blond and blue eyed Nordics with properly shaped heads - which were usually measured to assure of their purity. They had to be, otherwise they might have mistaken the blond and blue eyed Slavs, whose lands they wanted to grab, as being one of them. The rational of course was that the Slavs aren't worthy of what they have, since they're not producing as much as they should. (Sounds familiar doesn't it?) Of course the shorter growing season wasn't taken into account, but that's to be expected.

What it comes down to is that they were judging the Slavs and others by their own German 'communal' standards. I say communal, because it does account for their high productivity. Anyway when one judges others by one's own standards, they are bound to fall short of the mark.

Hitler (who I personally believe was demonically possessed), manipulated the grievances of the Germans over WWI, as well as the arrogance common among Western Europeans, and misled them into destroying the world and themselves as well. I feel bad for the German children that were born in such a generation, but not for those who joined the SS.

The German intent for the war was to grab the rich black earth of Eastern Ukraine and Western Russia to feed its people. Germany could not feed its large population, even though its food production was comparable to the US. This is why the Germans have settled all over the world. In the US alone, they are the largest ethnicity other than the English.
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To expand into Eastern Ukraine and Russia they had to eliminate the population, so some were killed outright, (which was probably the job of the SS), and the others starved to death by sending the food to Germany. It's believed now that the actual death toll in Leningrad from the blockade would be about one and a half million because of the Russians who entered the city to escape the German advance.

 

"Members of the Waffen-SS were involved in numerous atrocities.[11] At the post-war Nuremberg trials, the Waffen-SS was judged to be a criminal organisation due to its connection to the Nazi Party and direct involvement in numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity. Former Waffen-SS members, with the exception of conscripts, who comprised about one third of the membership, were denied many of the rights afforded to military veterans.[12][13][14]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS#Criminality

 

From the link above: "
Collection, the Waffen-SS had played a "paramount role" in the ideological war of extermination (Vernichtungskrieg), and not just as frontline or rear area security formations: a third of the Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing squads) members which were responsible for mass murder, especially of Jews, Slavs and communists, had been recruited from Waffen-SS personnel prior to the invasion of the Soviet Union.[168] The Waffen-SS construction office built the gas chambers at Auschwitz,[169] and, according to Rudolf Hoss, about 7,000 served as guards at that camp.[170]

Many Waffen-SS members and units were responsible for war crimes against civilians and allied servicemen.[171] After the war the SS organisation as a whole was held to be a criminal organisation by the post-war German government. Formations such as the Dirlewanger and Kaminski Brigades were singled out, and many others participated in large-scale massacres or smaller-scale killings such as murder of 34 captured allied servicemen ordered by Josef Kieffer during Operation Bulbasket in 1944, the Houtman affair,[172] or murders perpetrated by Heinrich Boere. The listed Waffen-SS units were responsible for the following massacres:

• Wormhoudt massacre by SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, 1940, France[54]
• Le Paradis massacre by SS Division Totenkopf, 1940, France[173]
• Pripyat swamps (punitive operation) by the SS Cavalry Brigade, 1941, USSR[174]
• Ascq massacre by 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend, 1944, France
• Tulle massacre by SS Division Das Reich, 1944, France[175]
• Oradour-sur-Glane massacre by SS Division Das Reich, 1944, France[176]
• Ochota massacre by SS Kaminski Brigade, 1944, Poland
• Wola massacre by SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger, 1944, Poland
• Huta Pieniacka massacre by SS Division Galicia 1944, Poland

Burned out cars and buildings still litter the remains of the original village in Oradour-sur-Glane, as left by Das Reich SS division

• Graignes Massacre by SS Division Götz von Berlichingen, 1944, France
• Maillé massacre, also by SS Division Götz von Berlichingen, 1944, France
• Marzabotto massacre by 16th SS Panzergrenadier Division Reichsführer-SS, 1944, Italy
• Malmedy massacre by Kampfgruppe Peiper, part of 1st SS Panzer Division, 1944, Belgium[177]
• Ardeatine massacre by two SS officers, 1944, Italy
• Distomo massacre by 4th SS Polizei Division, 1944, Greece[176]
• Sant'Anna di Stazzema massacre by 16th SS Panzergrenadier Division Reichsführer-SS, 1944, Italy
• Ardenne Abbey massacre by 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend, 1944, France

The linking of the SS-VT with the SS-Totenkopfverbände (SS-TV) in 1938 raised important questions about Waffen-SS criminality,[28] since the SS-TV were already responsible for the imprisonment, torture, and murder of Jews and other political opponents through providing the personnel for manning the concentration camps. Their leader, Theodor Eicke, who was the commandant of Dachau, inspector of the camps, and murderer of Ernst Röhm, later became the commander of the 3rd SS Totenkopf Division.[25] With the invasion of Poland, the Totenkopfverbände troops were called on to carry out so-called "police and security measures" in rear areas. What these measures entailed is demonstrated by the record of SS Totenkopf Standarte Brandenburg. It arrived in Włocławek on 22 September 1939 and embarked on a four-day "Jewish action" that included the burning of synagogues and the execution en masse of the leaders of the Jewish community. On 29 September the Standarte travelled to Bydgoszcz to conduct an "intelligentsia action". Approximately 800 Polish civilians and what the Sicherheitsdienst (SD) termed "potential resistance leaders" were killed. Later the formation became the 3rd SS Panzer Division Totenkopf, but from the start they were among the first executors of a policy of systematic extermination."