Waffen SS Vets March Openly In Latvia

Who has said the Waffen SS should not march?

No one has to respect them is the point.

 

Sorry but the bulk of the SS was just another part of the German war fighting forces and not part of the holocaust or the other mass murderers done in WW2.

Hitler not trusting the regular arm forces set up another arm force to balance out the regular German army an those millions of men in the SS armor divisions an such did the same job as those in the regular arm forces.

History is never that simple.

 

With the Waffen SS, yeah, it is, BillRM.

 

Makes me want to puke. On one side, you have socialists killing and torturing Jews. On the other, you have socialists killing those who wanted to live in a free country, not owned and run by the government.

National socialists vs. democratic socialists. What the hell is the difference?

 

Better check the heart/lung monitors to make sure they are still alive.

 

There were probably some 'good' SS. But the institution was demonstrably evil. It was created specifically as a means to carry out atrocious activities that the honorable Wermacht could not be counted on to participate in. I can't see any reasonable person being proud of their ties to it.

 

There is no parallel between the confederate soldiers who were fighting for their independence from the North, and those who joined the SS because of their Aryan 'supremacist' beliefs. Slavery was commonplace in most parts of the world, and it was purely a commercial enterprise in the South. The southerners were not masochists - which the SS were. Now I'm not talking about those who were conscripted since they had no choice, but the volunteers.

 

Not if they live among a group where it's acceptable, and/or they want to insult the large Russian population whose relatives they killed. I guess it raises their self esteem and makes them feel important. They are the supermenchen you know - or at least as long as the American troops are there. Let's see what happens when they leave. What a bunch of fools.

Retaliation for the Nazi genocide. 20 million Russians were killed, mostly civilians. Germany needed the Eastern Ukrainian and Russian rich black soil for its growing population, but they had to clear the lands of Russians first. Well they didn't manage it, and Churchill being the accommodating person he was, decided to solve Germany's population problem in his own way - with firebombs.

I read the reason the trials were held in Nuremburg, was because it had the only building still intact in Germany. The trials were held over the bodies of 20 thousand people.

 

Why do you think that is?

 

It's an opposition to the internationalism and globalism of the new world order, in the same way Nazism in Germany was an opposition to the internationalism of communism. One extreme always leads to the other extreme.

 

Well they're proud Nazis, definitely. Finally seeing actual Nazis being called Nazis, never thought I'd see that day.

But the Waffen-SS are almost exclusively known for fighting on the Russian frontline, what they did was in practice much closer to the army than to your stereotypical death camp officer. The line between the Waffen-SS and the army is very tenuous, it's not black and white like you think.

 

Waffen-SS creation, atrocities, combat reputation, strenght
ww2-weapons.com/waffen-ss
Waffen-SS - Creation, Atrocities and Combat Reputation. Creation of the Waffen-SS Before Germany went to war the term Waffen-SS had not been coined. The small units which at the beginning of WW2 had a strength of 18,000 men were to grow into a formidable army of nearly one million which had ea

 

Hitler and the Nationalist Socialist Party had the Waffen SS.

The Democratic party in America has ANTIFA and MS-13 too.

 

All the hate. Just so all of you are aware, not all of these Waffen SS vets were "Nazis", even if technically they were under Nazi Germany.

They fought for an independent Lithuania and have just as much right to be proud of that as any other veterans.

 

from the link above. Condemnation of atrocities is not hate. Defense of such atrocities is hate for the victims.

"The Eastern Legion SS formations, recruited among semi-barbarous Peoples for anti-partisan warfare, had a particularly bad record, but the whole guilt cannot be passed on to them; low-numbered ‘Reichsdeutsche’ (ethnic Germans) formations were guilty of equally disgusting excesses. It is therefore permissible to say that in scope, in nature, in degree of official sanction, and in the attitude fostered specifically within the organization, the Waffen-SS record of atrocity is worse than that of any known Allied or other German military force."

 

Everyone with whom the left disagrees is called a Nazi. Just as with the overused and inappropriate use of 'Fascist' and 'Racist', the term has lost its impact.

 

but in this case it's just an attempt to pull a boogeyman out of the closet


(not that the Left is particularly fond of war veterans, or people fighting for the independence of their nation, anyway)

 

And the foolish on the right call anyone they disagree with a 'socialist' or 'communist,' although they clearly show they do not know what the terms mean.

 

The ones who were conscripted had no choice. The others were volunteers and believed in the supremacist ideology of the Nazis. I read that the conscripts were given pensions but not the others - until now that is.

What I noticed is that certain ideologies take root in certain cultures - like nationalism seems to be a problem with Eastern Europeans that had a Roman Catholic upbringing, and especially with those who were formerly Orthodox and put under the Pope. Germany is the exception since they're Protestants. Poland and Czechslovakia are also the exception since they were attacked by the Nazis, and weren't in a position to make a choice.

In contrast, the Latin Catholic and Orthodox countries tend more towards atheism and communism.. They had a lot of internal problems after the war with communism.

Anyway this is just my opinion.

 

Seems like to me they are honoring the dead, not the causes they fought for. Whether German or Latvian, or some other nationality, these young men were conscripts. They didn't have a choice other than fight or be killed for not fighting.

Reagan was criticized for going to a graveyard that had both US and SS troops.

Jesus said to turn the other cheek, and love thy enemy. I think there's room to forgive the dead for their sins and misguided loyalties and for their souls. Perhaps that's their grandfather's who were forced to fight for the Germans. Time to bury these old wounds (but not forget).

 

I don't think that uber left or uber right view holders are those we should be listening to about what Jesus would want or whom we should honor.

 

The SS were sent to fight in Russia because they were on a campaign of genocide. When you want to win battles, you send soldiers (Wermacht), when you want to annihilate a population, you send something else (SS).

Nazi Germany wasn't seeking to conquer Russia as it had Europe. It sought to obliterate it.

 

The Waffen-SS had almost a million soldiers. They had several entire tank divisions for God's sake. If that's not an army then what is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Waffen-SS_units

The Russian front was the most difficult one by far. That's why they sent everything they had there.

Not there to win battles? Look at my link on the Waffen-SS divisions. You can see all the battles they fought.

 

I didn't say they werent an army. I just said the SS was created and used, in addition to combat, as an extermination force, and that made them, speaking generally, evil.