Mueller complained that Barr’s letter did not capture ‘context’ of Trump probe

Discussion in 'United States' started by Egoboy, Apr 30, 2019.

  1. Nunya D.

    Nunya D. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2010
    Messages:
    10,193
    Likes Received:
    2,797
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So would that be misogynistic comment or sexist comment. I can't keep up with the terminology
     
  2. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    15,854
    Likes Received:
    11,608
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He knew the government couldn't win an obstruction charge. What gets me is he said he wasn't exonerating Trump, it isn't his job to exonerate anyone, that is the job of the judicial body that takes up an indictment, if they chose to do so. Ridiculous also he is spreading negative stuff on Trump when there is no indictment. His job is to indict, or not and shut up.

    Funny to see the left panicking on their realization the only investigations going forward will be on the corrupt origin of this collusion fairy tale, and leakers along the way.
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2019
    AmericanNationalist likes this.
  3. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    15,854
    Likes Received:
    11,608
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your opinion is noted, I think he's been more like a breath of fresh air.

    Really, did that happen to Eric Holder, the only AG to be held in contempt of congress? Obama's self described 'wingman' if you'll recall.

    You live in a fantasy land. The only corruption about to be exposed is that by the Deep State.
     
  4. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    15,854
    Likes Received:
    11,608
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Evidenced by Mueller indicting others in the course of his investigation. He knew he couldn't win the phoney obstruction charge, Trump has the right to fire those in question at any time, for any reason, as Comey put it.

    Clinton was indicted on 11 counts by his Special Counsel.
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2019
  5. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    15,854
    Likes Received:
    11,608
    Trophy Points:
    113
    For the Deep State, yes, Mueller will get a grilling like he's never seen before on how this collusion fairy tale began, and why his team was composed of rabid Democrats, some with shady investigative pasts.
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2019
    ToddWB likes this.
  6. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    15,854
    Likes Received:
    11,608
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Speak for yourself, we'll see next fall. Perhaps Pocahontas or other drivers of that clown car can beat Trump.
     
    ToddWB likes this.
  7. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    15,854
    Likes Received:
    11,608
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As did Obama, who didn't do a thing about it. A good moment when Barr said he couldn't fathom why Trump didn't get a defensive briefing when the Obama admin. learned of Russian attempts.

    According to Mueller, they were offered help by Russia and turned it down.
     
    ToddWB likes this.
  8. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,447
    Likes Received:
    16,548
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, he lied about what the report says.

    Then, he lied before congress (perjury) by saying that he didn't know what Mueller thought of Barr's lies about the content of the Mueller report. Mueller had made his objections crystal clear in a letter to Barr.
     
  9. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,447
    Likes Received:
    16,548
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, Obama did take action. His hand were somewhat tied, as arresting the Trump campaign manager and other such needed action would be seen as a partisan use of the presidency to affect the election.

    The Trump campaign gave Russia internal polling and strategy information (such as identifying their view of battleground states, etc.). Russia was able to take action on that.
     
  10. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Also it's a lie that Obama did not tell McConnell and Ryan, who refused to tell Trump.

    This whole Report issue is cutting what little political ground Trump has left on which to stand.
     
  11. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The American people are going to reject Trump because of the fact that Trump and the GOP climbed into bed with the Russians and Putin.
     
  12. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2018
    Messages:
    33,519
    Likes Received:
    17,956
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oh my sounds like indictments all around! Oh wait, mueller fount no conspiracy!! Losers! The hoax was exposed!!
     
    ToddWB likes this.
  13. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,447
    Likes Received:
    16,548
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He stated in testimony before congress that he was unaware of any objection by Mueller to the content of Barr's characterization of the Mueller report.

    But, Barr had been explicitly notified by Mueller of Mueller's strong objections.

    Mueller also requested that Mueller's synopsis be used instead of the Barr report for reasons of the Barr report being untruthful.
     
    JakeStarkey likes this.
  14. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,447
    Likes Received:
    16,548
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The Mueller report outlines a prosecution of Trump for obstruction of justice.

    It identifies the specific requirements of such a case, and presents the evidence against Trump in each instance.
     
    JakeStarkey likes this.
  15. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2018
    Messages:
    33,519
    Likes Received:
    17,956
    Trophy Points:
    113
    For and against, which highlights why they had a reasonable doubt and wouldn’t recommend a charge
     
    ToddWB likes this.
  16. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2018
    Messages:
    33,519
    Likes Received:
    17,956
    Trophy Points:
    113
    1) that’s incorrect the question was he aware if they disagreed with his conclusions.
    2) mueller didn’t, he was only concerns with the leftist propaganda spin
     
    ToddWB likes this.
  17. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    110,165
    Likes Received:
    37,902
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Didn’t stop Barr
     
  18. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,208
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He didn't lie, read over the relevant passage again and I'll help you. "The letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the Public on the 24th did not fully capture the context, nature and substance of the Counsel's work and conclusions."

    This is going to be English 101. First, we must highlight "Fully capture"(emphasis on fully.). This means the letter(which if you read, it's the DEPARTMENT'S letter, not Barr's. Further, since that letter is included as part of the report, we can summarize it was actually Mueller's letter.)

    So it gets even juicer: Mueller is complaining about HIS own work. A problem he wouldn't have, if he had the cajones to publicly alert the public on his own. But let's drop that small tidbit for now, this is about the ridiculous charge of Barr lying. Since it didn't fully capture it, that must obviously allow that it summarized it to a degree(which, again, it's his own work.)

    That means any complaints that Mueller/Counsel Office have is specific, and is probably ONLY known specifically after the call, which took place AFTER the original question and answer session by Barr.

    Barr is answering this question, in the same manner Sessions answered the question about Russian Contacts. As a then-US Congressperson and not as a surrogate for the Trump Campaign. Only in this case, Barr is giving his answers as though he were answering in present tense(the 24th). At the time when Barr took the call, he did not know SPECIFICALLY, what specific objections Mueller/Counsel had.

    I'm going backwards, a bit on purpose because the so-called damning letter addresses whether or not the 'letter'(which wasn't edited in any way, just taken as a snipplet) was manipulative in anyway and quote:

    "As we stated in our meeting on the 5th and reiterated on the 24th, the introductions and executive summaries accurately summarize this Office's work and conclusion". All of this, is EXACTLY as Bill Barr testified. Letter for letter.

    Mueller's objection, as seen when you understand the dictionary terms of 'context', 'nature' and 'substance' was that the full report, and specifically the summary without that 'context' was removed of the harsh language.

    To be really blunt, Mueller wanted to pull a James Comey. And the summary, did not do that in the slightest(obviously, that's the objection you have now.) and that's the objection Mueller has.

    But Barr does not want a Comey. Barr gave the 'principal conclusions' without the said evidence behind it, because it's not a criminal trial. If Robert Mueller III wants to go on a soap box, he can feel free to do so. But that's not the AG's responsibility, nor was that the responsibility of the Special Counsel.

    And as Barr said in any event(epically) to Whitehouse: You have it now, the full report(in mid-April, in fast real time as he promised.) The complaints, are BS.
     
  19. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,447
    Likes Received:
    16,548
    Trophy Points:
    113
    FALSE! (I wasn't aware that there were people who still that that!)

    The DoJ (under which Mueller worked) does not believe a sitting president may be charged with a crime while still in office. They believe a sitting president is above the law. They see the sitting president as being subject to no court outside of impeachment.

    THAT is the reason he wasn't charged.
     
    The Mello Guy likes this.
  20. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,447
    Likes Received:
    16,548
    Trophy Points:
    113
    lol!
     
  21. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,447
    Likes Received:
    16,548
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hilarious. Barr said he knew of no objections from Mueller.

    And, Mueller had STRONG objections to Barr's false synopsis - including the "principle conclusions" and he put in writing - TO BARR.

    Barr perjured himself. Between the lies of his "synopsis" and the perjury, Barr should resign - or be impeached.
     
    JakeStarkey likes this.
  22. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Mueller is complaining about Barr not himself or his work.

    If anyone tells you differently, you know they don't know what they are talking about.
     
  23. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,208
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He knew of none, at the time of the call(and he should've said that.) But I know/knew what he was getting at. Once he learned that it was about the context, etc, it became a philosophical point of disagreeing that he didn't want to piecemail it, he wanted to give the public as much of the report as possible.

    Which is absolutely outstanding. You can't deny it. We got over 90% of official prosecuting material, that will NEVER happen again. His synopsis wasn't a lie, if anything it was Barr's conclusion, not Mueller's. But the moment Mueller refused to do his duty, he lost the right to complain about that.

    If Mueller wanted to indict Trump, he should've indicted. Instead, he opted out.

    What this really sounds like, is low hanging fruit: "If we can't impeach Trump, the next best thing is to impeach Barr." But you run into the same thing: House Republicans nor Senate Republicans will comply.

    Just because some don't like this government, or the conclusions reached by the AG, doesn't mean we're going to go Venezuela for Dianne Feinstein. There is only ONE legal way we recognize change in governmental power.

    So go voting next November :).
     
    ToddWB likes this.
  24. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,447
    Likes Received:
    16,548
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You're still not even getting the basic rule of the DoJ that the sitting president may not be indicted for a crime.

    I really don't know how to help you as long as you refuse to recognize ironclad facts under which this investigation was carried out.
     
  25. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,208
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Oh I understand that rule, I just don't buy Mueller's using that rule. Because he could've easily indicted him and had it under seal. The President doesn't know it's under seal, and it's not in effect until its unsealed lol. That's the whole point of sealed indictments in the first place.

    It's the same reason why the principle conclusion on Collusion was likely reached as early as December 2017, but we waited a whole year. Mueller created a time gap, to enable an obstruction investigation(because Comey's firing, or 'looking into the Flynn matter', do not principally constitute obstruction.) By utilizing the time gap, Trump could self-destructively act to his doom.

    The difference between you and I, is that I see Mueller's character, for all that it is. If I had a case, I wouldn't hypothetically say "maybe so", I would've indicted. I wouldn't let someone speak for me, I'd speak for myself. So I can avoid incidents like today's.

    Mueller is not a hero or an angel(and very few humans ever are.) He's a flawed, albeit egotistical prosecutor.
     

Share This Page