Mueller complained that Barr’s letter did not capture ‘context’ of Trump probe

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  1. struth

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    The idea a president can’t be indicted humane relevent to recommending charges. That’s been the policy since the 70s recommendation of charges isn’t indicting. In both the Clinton and Nixon....even Johnson impeachment they were never indicted, charges were recommended and impeachment began. History shows the path, you are being feed disinformation by leftist
     
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    You're not proposing what the DoJ considers legit or what would make ANY difference.

    As long as you don't want to accept what is considered legal by the DoJ, I just don't have any help for you.

    You want to believe Barr's lies (lies Mueller specifically and energetically opposed) and that is YOUR fairy tale.
     
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    Mueller laid out the prosecution for obstruction of justice in a step by step manner, tying evidence to each step.

    Congress is the place where this DoJ believes a sitting president must be held to account.

    Preferring charges doesn't expedite that process. In fact, the DoJ is opposed to there being charges against the president, for the REASON that the president would have no way to defend himself, since there could be no trial.

    Think about it. The president would be headed into an election cycle under the cloud of charges that would be impossible for the president to get cleared - because that would require a trial.

    This was Barr's opinion before he became AG. He laid out that opinion well before his nomination in a paper available for all to read. Why do you think he was chosen?
     
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    Why isn't the Office of Legal Counsel protesting? Hell, why isn't ANYONE ELSE protesting. There isn't any validity to the legal excuse of 'well, he can't be indicted'. Of course he can be indicted and charged, just like anyone else. And that's what the DOJ does. It doesn't release political hit jobs.

    Mueller abdicated his duties. You can acknowledge that, or not. It's very easy for me to acknowledge that, because he had Rosenstein as his mouth piece for two years. Mueller's never been accountable to you or anyone.
     
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    Barr said he didn't understand why Mueller didn't just give him a call if he had a problem. Barr did speak to Mueller who apparently was upset about the media's spin of his report, his work of art, his legacy.

    Barr also testified that he thought Mueller's letter seemed a little snooty and was probably written by one of his staff. The General was being kind.

    Game over. Trump wins 2-0
     
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    The DoJ holds that the sitting president may not be charged with a crime.

    Again, the reason is that they claim there would be no way for the president to defend himself against such a charge, because there can't be a trial of a sitting president and trials is how people get clear of charges. It would be damaging for a president to carry a charge into an election cycle.

    Mueller is STILL accountable to the DoJ. He will leave his post soon, they say. But, as of today he's still a government employee of the DoJ.

    The DoJ admits of only one way of holding a sitting president accountable for anything he does - impeachment.
     
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    Barr said he has no problem with his underling Mueller talking to congress. I doubt he means talking to Nadler's paid staff "ringers" he hired because he is too inept.

    Barr himself told Nadler in a letter from his staff to go screw himself. He won't be appearing at the dem lead house clown show tomorrow.
     
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    I just love all these "Game Over" people, including Trump and his Game of Thrones image infringements....

    Declaring victory doesn't make it so

    Nothing is over until we decide it is... Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??
     
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    Nadler has chosen a process that has been used in the past - including by Republicans.

    And, he gets to choose.

    Maybe Barr will have to receive a subpoena. He's in pretty deep water and may choose that as what he would prefer to be found guilty of.

    What we're seeing is the Trump administration attempting to create a US presidency that is totally and completely above all checks and balances - basically, a dictatorship.

    THAT is EXACTLY the reason that the US does NOT recommend our form of government when attempting to install democracies in other countries. The president already has enough power that shirking off the chains of the judiciary and congress is too close to being possible.

    And, Trump and those Republicans who choose to kiss his fat behind are proving that.
     
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    No problem......wait.......where did you get the 12 page number from? Did you read the whole report and add all the redacted words and add that up and compare it to how many words per page? Just curious. Asking for a friend.
     
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    That's fine... contempt charges against a sitting AG isn't a new concept.... I didn't want to hear from Fat Bob Costas again anyway...

    Barr may not have a problem with Mueller talking to Congress personally, but somebody (take a wild guess - we now know him as Mr. Obstruction) is gumming up the works...

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/robert-mueller-testify-congress-829486/
     
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    Frankly, Nadler (and Cummings) are being sort of ******* here... Cummings and all his "tools in my toolbox" crap.... Yawn...

    It's time to go full nuclear....

    1 No more 'asking nicely' to testify.... You get a subpoena from the get go... somebody has a problem with that?? Now Nadler can just say 'Bill Barr'...

    2. No more hearings behind closed doors... That Carl Kline dirtbag got to answer no questions today about security clearances that way.... These hearings need to be opened up so everybody can SEE for themselves the 24/7 Obstruction of this Administration and its sheep.

    3. Fines and Jail shouldn't be last resort... they should be mentioned in the subpoenas and automatically applied.

    You aren't dealing with normal people so the normal rules don't apply.... Getting tough with this administration is WHY you were returned to power in January... It's now May and you are still getting pushed around by criminals...
     
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    Barr after taking insults from Crazy Mazie and Harris the wonder hack today probably would not have been as much as a composed gentleman with the house clowns tomorrow if he were to have appeared tomorrow.

    Too bad the far left media won't get their daily drama fix but that's showbiz.
     
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    The general public who don't normally follow politics are finally getting wind of all the crap that has taken place. Those that do follow more are seeing that the whole thing was a hoax.

    Nadler and Cummings give good lip service but don't have the balls to subpoena Barr or anyone else, especially without Nan's approval.
     
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    True, but we won't get an irrelevant reading of Pete Strzok's text messages either (My money would be on that Gohmert idiot), so your side won't get the thrill of saying 'Insurance Policy' and 'We won't let it happen' for 8-10 hours... I call it a wash....
     
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    You have things a bit twisted. Trump was framed. Now you will get to watch what happens when the OIG's report comes out. Barr has also started investigating. There will be some criminal referrals and eventually there will be some indictments but it won't be any republicans, it will be the slick dems who tried to take down a president... by any means. dems fail, again.
     
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    We never got to see the end of Obama's fast and furious scandal either. Damn.
     
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    Weisman.
     
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    Lolzzzz

    “including about 12 pages that were entirely blacked out.”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...ller-report-redactions-bill-barr-trump-russia

    Your friend should really be smarter
     
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    I'm still looking for a picture of leahy's face when Barr said the President couldn't obstruct justice if he thought he hadn't committed a crime.
     
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    Oh, was he sad to learn the truth. I must have missed what you saw.
     
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    If the indictment is under seal, NO ONE knows who's charged with anything. No one, except the Grand Jury. That's why you keep it under seal to begin with. Typically, it's done to keep suspects from fleeing, or from destroying evidence. In this case, you use it as a vehicle because of the aforementioned concerns, and the case officially moves to the court docket whenever Trump's not president.

    It's Mueller's excuse, not his reason. And I sniffed that out just like I sniffed out the time lag gap. Why? Because it's blatantly freaking obvious! The man has a two year pattern of conduct. In the investigation, he leaned heavily on Rod Rosenstein to be his mouth piece. When it became apparent that he couldn't get anymore salacious 'evidence' for his obstruction case, that combined with Barr is why he submitted his report.

    I also suspect that he was innately aware that the longer he tried to stretch the time gap, the less credibility it'd have.(Not that he ended up utilizing it, by punting the football.).

    I don't think Trump's a great guy(and probably, not even a decent one.) Mueller's problem? He's shown to be little better. And ironically, now Democrats have right to be upset about him, for the same reasons as the beginning: He was never courageous. You're just now seeing that, because it pertains to getting Trump.
     
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    I have to give the libersls credit for being the best ************ in washington


    They are unequaled in the ability to make something out of nothing
     
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    Mueller laid out the events, all publicly known which they looked into and said they couldn’t decide if it rose to something worth charging.
     
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