Climate change: We haven't experienced anything like this in the past 2,000 yearsClimate scientists

In case you missed it, the Arctic and Antarctic are two entirely different regions. One is ocean, the other is a continent. In case you missed it the Arctic is influence by many factors based on both the Pacific and Atlantic, different air currents, etc. In the Antarctic there is a constant rotation of air that keeps the interior well below freezing throughout the year.

Did you know that recently the ice in the Arctic was 'surprisingly' thicker than thought? Did you know that it is currently greater extent and thicker than at it's lowest around 2007, 2012? According to solar scientists (you know, science) this is to be expected based on solar activity which is heading to the lowest after decades of high activity?

You have been fear mongered and bamboozled into believing the tripe based on the worst case scenario computer model RCP 8.5. I hate to tell you this but computer models are not reality and observed science is far below RCP 8.5. Many of the scientists that believe CO2 affects the climate are blackballed by the politically driven dogma because they provide inconvenient science to the fear mongering such as actual statistics counter to the fear mongering. Ask yourself why that is?

 

Our founders paid in blood and treasure to deliver to us all, freedom. Not merely one freedom, but those contained in their document called the constitution.,

AOC has one goal. To force us to do things her way. She would have hated our founders.

I label we who support Trump as living with what we got. I can name at least 3 republicans I far more preferred. But when you have the choice of the nasty mouth Clinton to a man with a checkered past, I take the person with the distant past,.

 

Did you know that the vastly superior climate model is managed by the Russians. It at least closely conforms to actual data and actual facts.

And their model shows cooling,.

 

I have to make this observation based on your remarks. A man who loves socialism as you love it sure ought to study government.,

 

One of the reasons for that is that they actually consider solar activity whereas our models do not. Our models only consider TSI. One of their solar scientists made a breakthrough on what drives the activity of solar magnetism. Anyone that thinks only US scientists are the best is discounting human intelligence. Currently our science has been corrupted by politics which is a great disservice to our own scientists.

 

Why are you so crappy in posting about white people?

 

I repeat: If we take action to counter global warming & it turns out to be less a threat than anticipated, the result will be that we've improved the planetary environment around us & made it a better world for all to live in. If we do nothing & find out later that global warming was real, we've sentenced our descendants to a world of hurt & pain, conflict, hardship, & an environment that will constantly challenge their survival skills. Between these two choices, I find it hard to support or explain how anyone would intentionally choose the latter path.

 

Fair request on your part. He walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and names we Americans as his aim to improve all of our lives. AOC is not there to improve my life but to receive a paycheck for pretending

 

i put far less credibility on the Democrats politicians than on experiments showing how good Carbon Dioxide actually is. It will grow our forests far quicker,

 

1. Our founders delivered freedom, but not to all. Slavery lasted from 1619 until 1865, & racism replaced slavery after that until now. So, those freedoms you celebrate were designed for & delivered to white males only for many decades. Gradually, slowly, liberals worked to expand them to include ex-slave males, all females, & more recently gays & trans-sexuals. If Trump & his supporters get their way, we'll regress backward to whites only again. For me, that's not progress.
2. AOC isn't the one who constantly claimed, "Only I can do it." AOC isn't the one who demonizes & demeans everyone around who disagrees with her. AOC cares about EVERY American, not just white Americans.
3. I disagree with your #3 post completely. Hillary wasn't my first choice either, but she was familiar with the government & its systems. She was knowledgeable & well informed. She respected our intelligence services & would have worked with them. She respected our foreign allies. She was a team player, & she clearly wanted to help the middle class. Trump does none of these.

 

Socialism & Communism are two VERY DIFFERENT systems. They have less in common than Capitalism & socialism have. Americans have been brainwashed by Cold War propaganda on this topic & are extremely misinformed. They equate socialism & communism as being the same or close cousins. In truth, they aren't. Communism gave socialism a bad name by connecting their national titles to it, then behaving in sickeningly inhumane ways. Socialism got blamed for behaviors they never participated in. Don't contribute to this continuing ignorance. Help clear the reputation of socialism from this gross misinformation. Help Americans escape the propaganda & learn the truth. Truth is always better to work with than lies.

 

You mean by digging up all the irreplaceable minerals to power wind, solar, and storage batteries? If one understands the world we live in in the long term scheme of things they would realize a few things.

First, we are in what is called the 'modern warm period'. Previously before Micheal Mann tried to erase a history of science with the now debunked Hockey Stick there have been other warm periods, some warmer than today. Those periods saw the greatest expansion of mankind. Wonder why? Because warming is much more hugely beneficial than cold periods when more die and fewer crops can be grown.

Second, history tells us that we are in a mild period called an inter-glacial during the last 2.5 million year ice age that has been interspersed with these short inter-glacials. During this time CO2 has dropped, due to cold being counter to CO2 production, to almost extinction levels for plants. Plants die around below 150 PPM of CO2 and during this ice age it has dropped to around 250 PPM at it's lowest. One of the reasons we don't have the abundance of plant life and huge animals like past periods when dinosaurs were roaming the Earth when CO2 were at levels much higher than today. CO2 is a critical element to life. More CO2 now is leading to the greening of earth which means more arable land. During the glacial periods that goes away and scours the Earth with cold and glaciers. Whether you like it or not, losing glaciers is a good thing except for those that build on volatile coastal areas.

Oceans have been much higher and much lower than now. Temperatures have been higher even duriong the last inter-glacial. Ocean level is not something static and it is hubris to think that we can maintain some arbitrary level based on the huge advantage nature has over changing it.

We will experience another glacial period and based on past glacial periods will last for 100,000 years until the next mild inter-glacial. If anything we should put that off as long as possible by creating CO2. One paper estimated we just missed the trigger for that and the next comes in 400 years. The trigger for switching from glacial to inter-glacial and back is determined overall by the Milankovich cycle but that does not explain the exact timing which is influence by many other factors, including the moon according to some papers.

When you realize how many known unknowns, and the unknowns unknowns there are in the science of climate change, you become a skeptic of the hyperbole around the politicization of the science.

Do not fall victim to the political nature of this science. Read all of it including those scientists that are called deniers because they produce inconvenient science. Once you are immersed in the actual science, you start to understand how political this has become, which is a disservice to science itself.

Even now the talking heads in the media claim every weather event is the cause of 'global warming' and not even the IPCC makes that claim. Propaganda is a valuable tool in shaping opinion and I would bet that most of those talking heads don't even realize they are just parroting propaganda.

 

1. This is news to me. Thank you for bringing it up. It should assuredly be included in the discussion & conclusions.
2. I am in complete agreement here. Our scientists, and scientists from around the world who are in any way connected with global systems research should be in attendance, including the Russians. We should all be working together to determine the truth of the issue & how to deal with it together.

 

Because I am white, & we whites dealt with non-whites in a harsh, inhumane way from the beginning when opening America to European settlement. We tried enslaving the Native Americans, & when that failed, we developed a policy of genocide toward them. Beginning in 1619, we started importing blacks as slaves, & gave them no rights & controlled every aspect of their personal lives to a degree I find horrifying today. After slavery, we invented legal ways to continue avoiding giving blacks rights or treating them as human until mid-century, when we passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That act opened the first real opportunity for blacks to begin feeling like full Americans, but over time it led to a buildup of hostility in whites again, which partly erupted publicly in 2010, with the Tea Party, then much more openly with the Trump campaign & Presidency in 2015 & after. For some unidentifiable reason, whites have been adamant in their rejection of all person of non-white or off white skin, to a degree that demands close examination. It is a horrid & despicable record--one that demands public scrutiny & massive change. As a white person, & an American, I am embarrassed & disgusted by this racist history, & I don't want to be a part of it. Furthermore, I want it expunged from any foothold in today's America, now & forever.

 

Are you kidding ???? Watch CNN/MSNBC ???? Thanks for the good laugh.

 

Communism and socialism are identical with regard to the fact that they need strong leaders with broad and absolute power. They degrade into totalitarianism. What could go wrong ???

 

Shame on you for being a white oppressor.

 

The US has hundreds of millions of citizens and is continental in size, what we require as a nation cannot scale to some country that's smaller than most of our states for example. How many miles of wire run through NYC or LA? Just about every single American has access to electricity, that simply isn't the case in all places, and when it is, they generally are not dealing with the sheer size the US does. It does not scale in the manner you are speaking...

 

Why repeat it? It's a simple platitude. You haven't identified one aspect of the global climate that could be improved. And when you suggest an improvement, what specifically are you saying? If it wasn't warmer, most of N America, Europe, Asia etc wouldn't be capable of supporting agriculture. And all the people would die out. Is that, to you an "improvement" that you want? Seems that you somehow believe that magic happens and goldilocks climate is something you have the ability to demand that others deliver to you. That seems entirely myopic, and selfish, don't you think?

 

Your timid poke into the lake of history duly noted.... The idea that you failed to express the broader picture simply erodes any credibility you might have enjoyed. I would ask several things, if you are so embarrassed, why not just leave? Whom would you hold accountable for your poor mastery of history that has delivered to you such a ridiculous assessment of our nation? Or is it just you?

So lash away at yourself, and while you do, the door is wide open these days accepting all those folks who think your assessment is so much BS to be scraped off of their shoes as the migrate here. That seems to be pretty stark contrast to your self imposed torment....

 

Hypothetically, take yourself back a few millennia, or forward for that matter - the assertion of your OP would apply, lol... From a Biblical world view, it is rather audacious to subscribe to a 'man made global demise... just saying, lol.

2 Peter 3:10 ... I'll hang my hat on that before drinking the cool aid of the lobbyist - bedded "scientists" who fudge their data in attempts to support their & 'Al gorleonies' assertions n' financial betterment. (btw, where did the 1/2 Billion dollars of OUR tax money go w/ the bust of Solyindra)?

- Who stands to rake in a windfall of Our $ cash dollars with even a smidgen of AOC's 'Green New Deal' implementation... ?

 

That didn't counter anything I said.

 

Because what you said made no sense. You are trying to compare apples and oranges. If you can't understand that there is nothing more to discuss about it...

 

There was a serious multi-year drought that analysts consider to have been a significant conributing factor to the war in Syria. Large numbers of people moved from farms into the cities due to farm failures, and the government had no answer.

 

There was no drought.