Man Arrested After Stabbing Spree Kills 4 in Orange County

I would certainly support trading AR-15's in for muskets. You game?

 

Yeah, it's a bad thing all around. Staying and fighting, at least for me, is suicide. I'm a 40 year old that is overweight. I"m not going to last long in a fight. Leaving the country would be very difficult. Even if Canada or Mexico were willing to let me flee into it, I couldn't stand to leave my family behind, and the odds of us all being able to flee together? Not so good. And I can't afford to flee to other continents, so yeah.

I know a full gun ban isn't going to happen. But I also know a massive cultural shift for the whole country to responsible values isn't going to happen either. Not until the country hits rock bottom. And when that happens, millions of us will die. It's scary and depressing. And the worst part? I know in a way, I am contributing to the problem. I kick the can down the road because no matter how hard I try, I can't find a solution that would work for everyone. And that's the only thing that will avoid a war, is a solution that benefits (or screws) EVERYONE EQUALLY.

Bleh. Sometimes I just hate what we humans have become. And I know there is good out there. I see it in my family every day. In my co-workers. But is it enough?

Thank you for your time.

 

Scalia was a control freak who hated the idea of people having personal freedom. I was very glad when he croaked.

 

Politicians pass whatever laws they like, regardless of what the Constitution says. That is because Americans like to live under their own rules instead of the rules that other people make for them.

For example, when the Constitution was adopted, slavery was legal in all of the States. So, how could some of the States abolish slavery and deprive their citizens of the federal right to own slaves? The States that did that violated the Constitution as it was written and adopted.

The Constitution is just a guide. Politicians were violating it as soon as it was written. Force is required for it to be enforced.

 

Based on this link about Missouri gun laws =https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/missouri-gun-laws/#mo-laws2, the guy didn't break any laws if he was legal to own guns. The firemen who drew his gun on the guy did break the law.He committed third degree assault. He should be arrested and charge. The cops who arrested the guy conducted an illegal arrest and should be suspended from active duty until they can pass a comprehensive exam about Missouri laws. The DA who filed the bogus charge against the guy should be disbarred for violating the guy's rights under the Missouri Constitution =

"Text of Section 23:
Right to Keep and Bear Arms--Exception

That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms, ammunition, and accessories typical to the normal function of such arms, in defense of his home, person, family and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned. The rights guaranteed by this section shall be unalienable. Any restriction on these rights shall be subject to strict scrutiny and the state of Missouri shall be obligated to uphold these rights and shall under no circumstances decline to protect against their infringement. Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the general assembly from enacting general laws which limit the rights of convicted violent felons or those duly adjudged mentally infirm by a court of competent jurisdiction."

 

Why do you assume the person was arrested for bearing guns? The article doesn't explicitly mention what the actual arrest was for. It could have been for disturbing the peace or something else.

I know many people get really scared and uncomfortable when they see guns around.

And no right, even a constitutional one is ABSOLUTE and UNBREAKING. Restrictions on constitutional amendments already exist. I get you may not like it, but your dislike hasn't resulted in those restrictions being lifted. You can still get into trouble for yelling fire in a crowded space. Bearing open arms in a crowded space has a similar effect, IMO. No wonder people are reacting the way they do. And you can't stop them, because they have the right to not conform to IDEALS they don't want to.

 

Wish I could like this post more than once.

Yeah, I don't think gun laws are going to change in any major way any time soon. So no worries there.

Still, even if you have a gun in the USA right now, it might be better to keep it hidden. After all, even if you have a gun, if you are up against a larger group of people, your chances of making it out of a firefight are slim. Better to try to de-escalate the situation to where you don't even need to pull your gun out.

Just wish more people would agree with this point of view.

 

Under Missouri law, the person has the right to open carry his gun, wear the clothes he wants to, and to enter certain public places (not all). He did not violate the law. He did commit a stupid act and, if he had been a black or and obvious muslim, he would have been shot dead on the spot.

The person who did commit a crime was the fireman who drew his gun on the guy. The cops also performed an illegal arrest and violated the guy's rights under the Missouri State Constitution. The DA is also in violation of the law by prosecuting the guy on bogus charges. If the guy has any kind of a decent lawyer he should be able to get the charges dismissed or win a not guilty verdict.

 

The guy was charged for making a terrorist threat =

A Gun-Toting Man In Body Armor Who Sparked Panic At A Missouri Walmart Was Arrested For Making A Terrorist Threat
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...i-walmart-gun-panic-body-armor-shooting-scare

That is a BS charge because he was legally doing what he is allowed to do under Missouri law. He did not brandish his weapon or threaten anyone with it.

 

You are entitled to your opinion.

And I, along with those police and other people, are allowed to disagree with your opinion, and act accordingly. Sorry that many people don't feel safer surrounded by guns everywhere in public places.

And we may not be able to ban guns any time soon. But conservatives and gun nuts are not able to FORCE us to change or feelings and views.

So, stalemate. Guess we will just have to wait and see how things play out.

 

You are entitled to your opinion.

And I, along with those police and other people, are allowed to disagree with your opinion, and act accordingly. Sorry that many people don't feel safer surrounded by guns everywhere in public places.

And we may not be able to ban guns any time soon. But conservatives and gun nuts are not able to FORCE us to change or feelings and views.

So, stalemate. Guess we will just have to wait and see how things play out.

 

Whether or not you agree with their decision, it is final and all must abide by it unless the 2nd amendment is repealed or amended.

 

It's only final until the next court ruling.

That's why we elected Trump. So, that he can pack the courts with judges that will interpret the constitution as it was intended to be.

 

Hell no.

 

None.

If Walmart has a no gun policy, then Walmart can file a report. But I'm not aware what law he would be charged under.

 

You will never hear it on the mainstream media, but a certain number of those "mass shootings" were staged events, and that includes a few in Europe.

 

Gee so there isn’t any point in sending them to jail or for that matter having any laws whatsoever.

 

Staged by whom?

 

You don’t have to find a solution that will work for everyone. An overwhelming majority will work although so far even overwhelming support hasn’t led to universal background checks.

 

I didn't say that. You did.

 

A very good question, but I don't know the answer. In general terms, by parties who want to see firearms become illegal.

 

Maybe read your post again. Here I will help you remember.

“ Bad people are going to bad things no matter what laws are in place.”

So obviously you are saying that. laws have no function.

 

This is what I said...

This is what you said...

Anyone with half a brain can see that what I said isn't what what you claimed I said.