Why are we a divided Nation?

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  1. Turin

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    Please supply some evidence of this claim. I find it very ridiculous.
     
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    No doubt the Obama Administration was Evil and duplicitous. Unfortunately you do not give any examples - so your claim is "assumed premise" fallacy.

    Leftist agenda ? again - how so and where are the examples - and how does this meet the leftist agenda criteria ?

    I will give a few examples of Obama's complete 180 - the supposed "Civil Rights Activist" - and Harvard trained constitutional scholar.

    Obama went after whistleblowers - (not talking Snowden/Manning - those who tried to out Gov't crimes through legitimate channels) - while protecting the Gov't Criminals - such as Clapper.

    Obama turned his back on the founding principles (respect for individual liberty) defending the en mass illegal domestic spying program by saying "If we want increased Security - we have to give a little"

    Ummm - hold on here - what happened to "give me liberty or give me death" - Founder Franklin "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security"

    Transparency decreased under the Obama admin - as did the attack on individual liberty.

    How is this strictly a "Leftist thing" ? The right had Obama's back the whole way. Trump has recently lobbied congress to reinstate the NSA en mass domestic spying program - arguably the greatest threat to individual liberty sans a foreign invader taking over.

    What happened to the "Civil Rights Activist" ?? Obama turned out to be the dark side.

    On the foreign front - Obama armed and supported Al Qaeda - 911 terrorist group - and other radical Islamist Jihadist groups of the same ilk in Syria - an action that led to the death of over 400,000, horrible war crimes and crimes against humanity. He turned Libya into a Jihadist wonderland - and we fight on the same side as Al Qaeda in Yemen.

    How is this "Leftist" ? This is right wing neocon - but, it seems that the left is now supporting this policy - Look at how they attack Tulsi Gabbard for speaking uncomfortable truths.

    Obamacare ? - Lipstick on a pig - Obama did nothing to change the systematic issues that result in a 3.5 Trillion dollar annual spend (2017) - continuing to pad the pockets of the Establishment Healthcare and Insurance Oligopolies.

    Obama was an Establishment wonk - as is Trump.
     
  3. LangleyMan

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    That doesn't mean I'm trying to silence them. I just don't want them to pass legislation banning abortion or blocking same-sex marriage.
    Of course not.
     
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    We are divided because the left and right have two very different goals.

    The left wants a nanny state to wipe our butts for us. Everything should be “free” (education, medical care, transportation, etc), but the government will take 80% of your paycheck and leave you with 20%. And government should decide everything from what light bulbs you can buy to what food you can eat.

    The right wants a minimal government (which doesn’t mean “no government”), limited to the very basic duties listed in the Constitution. They simply want government to protect us from external threats and maintain domestic order.
     
  5. LangleyMan

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    I can see those Christians who believe as you do not having same-sex relations, but why are you trying to impose your views on others?

    What about people who think a particular religion is a bunch of hooey? Should they try to impose their views on believers?
    Hardly. It would be just as wrong if it was NAMGLA (the "G" standing for "Girl"). Adults shouldn't exploit children for sex.
    Oh? Why not? Just watch me.
     
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    Fifty-four years ago extended families were more common, medical costs were lower, and we still enacted Medicare.
     
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    Not if you have a solid family around you.
     
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    180 IQ James Woods who attended MIT..... literally smarter than 99.99999% of the planet. Aced his SATs.... not a single wrong answer......

     
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    Well they can, but they choose not to. If the space is available, it can be done. Ergo, it's a choice.

    Meantime, it's not difficult to grow all the vegetables (and even the fruits) we need for survival. If you're vegetarian or vegan it can be almost complete self-sufficiency.
     
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    You died in the parlor, the hearse picked you up and brung you back to the parlor, visitation was in the parlor, the funeral was at the graveside.

    That is fast changing to scattering ashes on the bayou with no formalities whatever.
     
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    They still exist, they just don't have the sense to stick together. Fine, if you're very wealthy .. but if not, you NEED your family. Just as they need you.
     
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    The real reason older people say that is because they know their children regard them as a burden. No one really wants to suffer an old age in isolation from loved ones.
     
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    I'm a Leftist and that's what I want. Though I do also want free healthcare and education for all.
     
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    Some hospitals admit some indigents for some medical issues. Too hit and miss for most of us and why people buy insurance.
     
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    Actually there is absolutely no evidence that marriage was anything other then legal tool to regulate relationship between man and woman.
    You can read numerous books, laws and regulations, not one of them refer to marriage as something that involves genital stimulation between two people of the same sex.

    I find it amazing that some people do not read anything other then progressive lie.
    If people are so brainwashed by the propaganda machine, yea no wonder we are divided.
     
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    Both parties are the same they do nothing other then serve their corporate masters and pit people against each other.
    Republicans actually worse because they openly want to take away social security, health care and let people die.
     
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    Uninformed.
     
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    Free education and healthcare? Ok, then prepare to have 80% of your paycheck taken in taxes to pay for it. Then try living on the 20%.
     
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    There is no evidence has been presented that government health insurance is more expensive then private.
     
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    And no one ever bothered to inform uniformed.
     
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    Some people don't have the "next to nothing" required to buy nutritious food.

    Others have no idea what they should be eating. How do I know? My wife taught high school foods courses.
     
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    So you say. Where's the evidence?
     
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    Whoa! I was talking about 50 years ago, not 100 or more.
    Seems so.
     
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