Why are we a divided Nation?

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    You're propagandizing the forum. Some Californians came up with a petition. I wanted to know who they are because the idea isn't taken seriously.
    Absurd.
     
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    Lol omg these alt left radicals are twisting their own words now.

    YOU ASKED who wanted to Secede. It is CALIFORNIA CITIZENS.

    Why are you getting so upset? Because you didn't know that Californian's want out of the union? Who cares? Let them go. We'll pull all federal resources out, all military assets, and tax their land.

    Works for everyone.
     
  3. LangleyMan

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    All I get from this is you won't take up my challenge, but you'll continue making sneering references while saying you're just being skeptical.

    This is trash talk: "LMFAO, says the guy who claims he walked off the golf course with a broken ankle, saw a GP, got xrays blah blah blah"

    You come off as someone who doesn't want us to adopt the Canadian system. That's fine, but why not talk about why and especially how their system has problems? We could learn something from their experience. Heck, you could learn something.
     
  4. LangleyMan

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    I asked who wants to secede because I know very few Californians do.
    Still with that one?
    Another nonsense claim. I lived in CA for decades. Talking about California as a country has been going on for decades.
    Washington and Oregon, too?

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    "Jesusland" is your America?
    Nah, they keep the stuff inside their borders.
     
  5. GChairman

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    You want to put down 25 large and me put down a G note to prove a point? come on , no one will take you seriously
    or do you want my information to dox me right? you must think Im pretty stupid

    Im beyond skeptical LM

    I can talk about the Canadian system, very familiar with it as I lived in Ontario, and I've never seen anyone visit their GP the same day they make an appointment, never.

    If you had a broken ankle as you claim and your wife even if she knew the GP extremely well as we know nepotism does exist in the Canadian system ( one of its flaws), you cannot see an orthopedic surgeon the same day, they will tell you to go to emergency

    I know when I worked for a investment company in Toronto, one of the guys wife was a GP and I know she has moved him up the priority ladder when he needed to see a specialist

    The Canadian system works like, eg you have a ruptured disc in your back, you see a GP, he or she is the gate keeper and refers to you a specialist, if you need blood work, if the lab is in the same building as your GP you get in quickly, if not you make an appointment to see them, get the blood work in a few days or same day if you want to wait in the long line ups, then you see the GP to get the results, then if you need an MRI you have to make an appointment to get the MRI, that takes weeks maybe months.

    once you get it you see your GP and he or she fills out the requisition to see the specialist, and never in a day, if you know the GP very well he or she can move you up

    All this takes months, if your pain is severe they may recommend the Emerge , or many folks assuming they can afford it, goes over to the States to get the MRI but they pay for it out of pocket.

    There is lots of good things about the Canadian system, they don't treat Illegals without the Provincial healthcare card, they wont deny emergency visit if you show up but they make sure they have your information to bill you.

    You claiming that you can see the GP, get Xrays, see an orthopedic surgeon all in one day, and I dont believe that one bit
     
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    I disagree this modern day war started with Clarence Thomas and Anita hill and the tit for tat grew every year.
     
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    My point is that failures of personal responsibility cost the community. And no, I would never use tax as a means of social manipulation .. because it doesn't work. Had I the power, I'd simply limit healthcare to those whose state is not self-induced. Obesity is automatic disqualification, for egs. Likewise addictions. Welfare would only be provided in the form of basic cheap housing (in any location available), free public transport, used clothing, and healthy rations. No actual money would be provided. Don't like any of that stuff? Get a job.

    What I mean by 'expect' is that some people complain bitterly about not receiving help as they age, when they did nothing to deserve that help.
     
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    Were divided and kept that way for the Political Expediency of our Politicians.
     
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    What do you mean by YOU KNOW very few? How many people on the petition are you personal with?
     
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    we were less divided before the Obama Administration and News Media kept telling us over and over how divided we were. Then it got worse. Perhaps I was hopeful he would make it really better but he did not and IMO did nothing to help minorities.

    My life and my City have all races living comfortabily together. Work together, socialize together and live next door to each other.
     
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  11. LangleyMan

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    We can agree to a third party, each of us contact the agreed third party separately, then once the funds are deposited and question set, makes a decision and distributes the funds. The third party would agree to keep the our identities confidential.

    I know you'll lose, so I'm just looking for a bit of sport and your $1,000. If I thought you were pro-life, I could go with a donation to Planned Parenthood.
    My GP is part of a practice that holds a morning drop-in clinic for all patients most weekdays. If I use that service, I'm likely to get another doctor.
    People with breaks see the surgeon on duty in Emergency. If I had opted for a plate, I probably would have had to wait a day. He did the cast and sent me on my way. He was my doctor for the break, saw me at four weeks, then at six and removed the cast.
    If you get a clinic that provides concierge service, you can get around the queue.
    You can pay for the MRI. If your GP clinic is connected, or you're paying for concierge care, you'll see the specialist right away. My doctor at the time owned the two only two medical buildings next to the hospital.
    This is the level of indifference I see in local clinics for people who for one reason or another don't have their own GP
    Most Canadians paying out-of-pocket get their MRIs done at private clinics in Canada.
    You can find out if you're as smart as you think you are...
     
  12. LangleyMan

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    You saw the poll...

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    Read what I wrote.
     
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    The Obama types said we were divided? I recall them saying how great things were going. The media are the ones pushing conflict.
     
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    Because that is how you break a nation... rid it of patriotism and its sovereignty... you divide it
     
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    I did. You should read what you wrote as well. You asked "Who" wanted to secede from the union in California. And then once you were confronted with people from California wanting to leave the union, you have deflected.

    Once again, you are embarrassed. You never took the time to realize your alt Left klan wants out of the United States.

    No worries though! We are happy to see these ladies go!
     
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    Better to start with defining a nation. Nations !=countries.
     
  18. LangleyMan

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    Absurd. This is a misrepresentation of our exchange.
    I'm not a leftwinger, "alt" or otherwise.

    Unhappy leftists (and unhappy rightwingers) often babble away about getting out of the country. They're a small minority in every state. Look at the poll in California.

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    Again, knowing California as I do, I challenged you to identify those behind the effort. You came back with a flip response. (I considered the source, frankly.)

    Sorry to let the air out of your tires. Huge majorities of important demographics want to stay, Trump and people like you who egg them on must be crestfallen.
     
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    Take part of the what?
    It says this where?
    No, it doesn't mean that.
     
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    I will not comment on the mindless lack of substance in post you were responding to. I will however, comment on your perspective of Obama.

    Obama turned out to be an Establishment wonk - who turned his back on the things he previously stood for - "Civil Rights activist" "Harvard Constitutional Scholar.

    His foreign policy continued in the footsteps of his predecessors - fighting useless regime change wars to pad the pockets of the big money interests that pull the establishment strings. You say "he was a moderate" ... OK - then riddle me this one. How does a Moderate end up arming and supporting the 911 Terrorist group - Al Qaeda ?

    Obama's idea of "moderate" - was a radical Islamist Jihadist -

    On the home front - Obama continued the trashing of individual liberty in this nation. He protected criminals within Gov't and went after those who tried to out Gov't criminality through legitimate means ( not talking Snowden and Manning).

    Perhaps as you say - Obama was a "good man" - for evil to triumph - all it takes is for Good men to do nothing - this was then the type of "good man" that Obama was.
     
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    38% of Americans suffer from Mad Orange Disease

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    NEVER TRUMPERS ARE DIVIDING THE NATION.. 60 - 40​
     
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    Here's more:

     
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    That's just it if you by an older existing home you can do okay especially if you're willing and able to take on a fixer upper. However older homes become rarer over time and forty years ago we went from building 800 square foot two bedroom starter homes to giant 2400 square foot yuppie mansions.
     

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